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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Rodland
Sent: 10 October 2003 23:42
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of development issues
Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Re: It Has Begun <sigh>

On Friday 10 October 2003 07:43 am, David Roden wrote:
> Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> > Or emply the slightly less strategy of ignoring them until they go
>
> away or the slightly more aggresive strategy of raising lastGoodBuild
> (as well as droping the site).
>
> Yeah, cool, let's apply some censorship to things we don't like.

>>Mmmm. I love this. The Project owns that page, it's a part of their
>>software. You can argue that they have a certain responsibility to be
fair >>with it, but is it not within their responsibility to make sure
that >>they're not Supporting a project that is actively destructive to
their >>own?

Erm how is it actively destructive? It doesn't interact with the current
network, no ones asked for any new code for the build that is being run
be the network (though thanks is due to toad once again, he helped
reskill sort the anon filter bug that was in the build initially) which
is supportive and appreciated.

>>If you go beyond all the posturing, here, all fid is is an active 
>>encouragement for people to put their datastores on strike. I don't
see >>how their intent could be anything else. Certainly their stated
intent is 
>>technically ignorant, based more on voodoo than fact. And if they
wanted >>to achieve their stated goals, some of which are quite good
ideas, there >>are far more constructive, responsible ways that they
could have gone >>about it.

Posturing? Hmmm it's all been the devs saying you guys are so wrong it's
unbelievable, you have done it yourself " based more on voodoo than
fact"

Would you like to clarify voodoo for me? I'd of thought throwing a whole
bunch of shiny new features that haven't been tested into a reasonably
working network and hoping it'll improve it, as being the same as
throwing a load of food scraps into a frying pan and hoping it'll be
edible.

>>I don't see any reason for the developers to be friendly with, or even

>>accommodating of, such a project. They've already offered more than
could 
>>have been expected. If they don't want to provide that link -- fine. 
>>Hopefully some people will step up to provide some new indices.
>>Personally, what I'd rather see would be a clear statement, coming
from, >>say, Ian, rather than me, giving his POV of why fid is
destructive, and a >>request made to YoYo to post that nearby.
"Rebuttals of similar quality" >>is a good, responsible practice.

This attitude is the sort of tabloid rubbish that landed the whole issue
on /. The code that is being run on the network is pure freenet source,
no hacks, no modifications other than to keep it from interfering with
the main network, so they are running freenet, an old build but freenet
nether the less. To illustrate a point isn't freenet china still running
network based on 0.4? 
Just as the build is old doesn't detract from a projects roots, I've
never expected the dev team to be as supportive as they have been, and
knew that they'd never link to a second build, as the higher members
have always been to ignorant of the users anyway.
 
>>Cheers
>>--hobbs

Pete

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