This seems increasingly similar to searching ... isn't DNS just another search/labelling system? Certainly splitting up indexes by letters, and even inheriting stuff from other indexes, is very close technically to the mechanisms we will have to provide for searches.
Why not just use searches? I ran into just this debate in a bug on mozilla once; the consensus seemed to be that people shouldn't be guessing URLs, they should just use Google; hence the addition of the Google Bar to firefox. On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 06:09:56AM -0400, Colin Davis wrote: > > > >I like the idea. I had been pondering something very similar for > >Freemail to > >combat the problem that I can't give my Freemail address to someone > >in the > >pub. Aside from a business card almost as large as the table > >itself, it would > >also require a lot of patience from the poor person that's got to > >type it in. > > > > Absolutely. There's a lot of uses for a system like this- Unlike a > KSK, it's signed & distributed, so it's under your control, but it's > still available for everyone. > Since anyone can publish a name page, it's democratic. > > >>* Allow Bob to subscribe to Alice's page, and include it as part > >>of his. > > > >The problem being that a tree structure like this can make the > >lookup time > >very large very fast, since it can very quickly have a lot of > >indexes to > >check, each of which is not that quick. > > > That's true, but keep in mind- You can copy their entries to a static > list, once you access them. Ie, use cron to have FCP access their > lists once per 12 hours, and copy them to your own list. Then it's > essentially a giant hosts.txt file.. > > For example- > > Alice publishes the following list. > Greatsite -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ReallyGreatSite -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GreatPic.jpg -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Bob creates his own list: > BobIsCool -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bob'sSuperFriend -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Bob then subscribes to Alice's list. > His client Creates a new master list, which looks like- > > Bob/BobIsCool -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bob/Bob'sSuperFriend -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alice/Greatsite -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alice/ReallyGreatSite -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alice/GreatPic.jpg -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > At that point, going to a URL is just a matter of looking up the name > in a flatfile. Yes, it could be broken up/arranged in a Database, > etc.. But conceptually, think of it as one file that is added to. > > If Chris publishes a list > UBERSITE -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > And he subscribes to Alice, he'd then have hers and his, but not Bob's. > If he subscribed to Bob's, he'd have him, Bob, and Alice. > > Etc. > > > >One problem I can see is that if I give one of mates one of these > >URLs, will > >he then get very confused when his node tells him it doesn't know > >about it, > >since he doesn't subscribe to the right names list? > > While that's true, as-written it works well in a darknet- Your > friends can add your list ;) > In a wider opennet, you'd probably have someone like Yahoo publishing > a master list, which most people subscribed to, either directly, or > through someone who subscribed to it. > > > >That can be solved by > >just having a default one that will suffice for 99% of people > >though, and > >potentially build in some kind of revocation mechanism. > > > IIRC, there is already a revocation method- > If you change a key to be blank, the next time people sync against > it, the key is removed from your list. > > > >I'm just throwing some ideas around really, use whatever you > >will. :) Either > >way, I do like the idea. > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >> > >>I think this is a much better idea. > >> > >>The idea, as I understand it, lets a user set up a USK page, to which > >>he posts a list of freenet links. This is somewhat similar to the > >>multitude of Freenet indexes that already exist ;) > >> > >>In this USK page, A user could specify "Friendly Names", similar to > >>DNS, or a KSK. > >> > >>InterestingSite -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>GreatPic -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >>A user can then "Subscribe" to another users name's list- So for > >>example, if Alice published this page, I could subscribe to his > >>pages, and access any of her links, via her username, and the short > >>name he gave it- > >> For example- Alice/InterestingSite > >> > >>If Bob were to do the same thing, I could access Bob/SuperCoolSite, > >>which would link me to things that he thinks are interesting. > >> > >> > >> > >>You, as a user, can subscribe to as many of these indexes as you > >>want, by telling your client to know about both USK index pages. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>The most interesting part is yet to be written. I'm still talking to > >>Aum about how best to do it, but I'd welcome suggestions. > >> > >>* Allow Bob to subscribe to Alice's page, and include it as part > >>of his. > >> > >> > >>What this does is allow a web-of-trust for DNS. Bob trusts Alice's > >>pages, so he tells the client to automatically copy them into his > >>list, under her name. > >>That means that by subscribing to JUST BOB, I can access BOTH Bob/ > >>SuperCoolSite, AND Alice/InterestingSite > >> > >> > >>That means that you could subscribe to as many DNS providers as you > >>choose, and they all publish their lists to a global datastore. > >> > >>This isn't easily implementable under the general internet, because > >>it doesn't have a global datastore.. It's a freenet unique solution, > >>and the idea is fascinating to me. > >> > >> > >>This is a VERY exciting idea, and I'd love to see it implemented more > >>globally. 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