On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >>>> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>>>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > >>>>> choice? > >>>>> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > >>>> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > >>> Why would that be bad? > >> What if i dont want to do use the Wizard? Also, if i removed the "wizard > > done" line (intentinally or > >> by mistake), a new run would remove my custom settings. With the option, i > > can just stop the wizard > >> and no harm done. > > > > If you know enough to skip the wizard you should shutdown the node, edit the > > config file and tell the node you have done the wizard! > > Is there a need for editing the config file? You can set everything with the config section too, but > without the "i want to do it myself", you cant disable the wizard from the GUI. > > >>>>> Related idea: We should maybe tell the user in the installer that they > >>>>> should > >>>>> use a separate browser for Freenet, rather than in the wizard? And then > >>>>> let > >>>>> them choose one, and then use it when they click on the icon to browse > >>>>> Freenet? (#3104) > >>>> This would produce additional work for people packaging freenet, since > > they > >>>> would have to warn the > >>>> user themselves, while users tend to ignore the output of the package > >>>> manager. > >>>> So this would lower the chance of people noticing the request for a > >>>> different freenet > >>>> browser/profile and therefor i am against it. I suggest the current way: > >>>> Warning during first call > >>>> of the webinterface like it is currently done. > >>> Well, maybe on linux, with the packages that we don't have yet... > >> Did you miss the Gentoo ebuilds? > >> Isnt it a goal to get other distros to package it too? Just because it did > > not happen until now, > >> doesnt mean it wont happen some time in the future. May just need more time > > since Gentoo as source > >> based distro may be a bit better for packages than binary distros. > > > > No, it is a goal to package it with private repositories. Having a debian > > package that is frozen for 3 years is not useful at the present time. > >> And if we have it for linux, why would you like to add additional code for > > windows (both in the > >> installer and in freenet, which would have to detect the OS and then decide > > to show the warning or > >> not)? > > > > Well, we could do something similar for *nix, no? Launch a suitable privacy > > enabled browser when the user runs the browse-freenet script? > > You dont know the user system. While windows user systems may be similar to each others, this is not > true for linux. Where would you place that script? How would you check which browser the user wants > to use? This idea looks more like the way user handling is done on windows or ubuntu: Expect him to > know nothing and try to do everything for him. Might be nice for beginners and if it works, but > makes things worse for experienced users, who want to do it different and also makes it harder, if > there are problems. > Imho you cant beat stupidity. Either users read a message and act the right way or they dont. You > cannot prevent them from doing bad things. > > Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can choose, with a forcing > script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a > script for linux.
Well, we already have a Browse Freenet script on all three platforms. Currently it detects browsers that we know about. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. But we should extend it to use incognito mode if possible, and to favour browsers with such support. I dunno how we can determine whether such a mode works with the particular installed version though...
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