On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Thomas Bruderer <[email protected]>wrote:
> It's obviously your newest toy I'm not sure why you are questioning my motives, but its not my "newest toy", its increasingly the de-facto standard tool for creating rich UIs that run in a web browser. you really want to have in the project - I cant imagine why. I explained why. > A UI framework certainly does not need Javascript per se - and its > certainly not needed for freenet. I never said that it *needed* to be Javascript, I said that it is preferable for us to use Javascript because it enables much richer user interaction. > > 2) What about people who don't have Javascript enabled or use terminal >> browsers like lynx? >> >> Right now we have maybe 20k concurrent users. Google and other websites >> use GWT for apps with millions, perhaps tens of millions of users. If >> Google is prepared to make Javascript a requirement for mainstream web apps >> that serve millions of users, then we should certainly be comfortable with >> doing-so for our app that serves thousands. >> > Yeah and I am sure all those google users are very concerned about their > privacy since they all use google, gmail, android, chrome with full phone > home functionality ... and so forth giving them all the data they want. I mean its clear that a software like Freenet should be compared with the > biggest datamining company in the world. I mean thats what freenet is all > about right? What a silly argument. The privacy policy of some other company's use of GWT is completely irrelevant to whether *our* use of GWT would harm anyone's privacy or anonymity. As I've already explained, it wouldn't. > An argument ad populum is not very convincing - especially not one like > that. > Pointing out that GWT is extremely widely used is an entirely appropriate response to the claim that using GWT would limit our userbase in some way. Our crappy user interface is what limits our userbase. > Of your other arguments the only real benefit which no other Framwork would > offer easily are the Dev-Tools. All the other arguments are not "pro GWT" > but pro "use a framework". So its simple - don't stick your head into the > sand: search for a better framework which has at least a non-JS fallback. > Firstly, having powerful dev tools is extremely important. Secondly, if you want to advocate for having a non-JS fallback, then I'm afraid you'll have to do more to support your opinion than question my motives and rant about Google's privacy policy with some of their websites. > BTW a redesign is certainly not the most important step... > Perhaps not the *most* important, but its one of the top-3 issues. In future, please back up your opinions, stay on-topic, don't question other people's motives, and keep the ranting to yourself or freenet-chat. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: [email protected] Ph: +1 512 422 3588
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