On Sunday 09 Dec 2012 11:17:33 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > At Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:55:54 +0000, > Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > I could actually put the CHK key on a business-card. > > > > You could in principle, but it's a rather long string. Maybe a KSK, > > although security issues? Or maybe one of the "short references" proposals, > > although they tend to depend on fixed IP addresses. "Short invites" may be > > possible too... > > I do not care too much abouot that length. I once needed over 1h to fix > lineeak and encoding issues for the ref. In that time we could have typed the > CHK 20 times or so. Also that string is much easier to send by mail (believe > me there, please, it is. I speak from experience...).
Treating stuff as text causes all sorts of problems. :( There are workarounds though, some have been coded. > > > > Also: Invitations. A page where I can generate an invitation bundle with > > > one > > > click: > > > > Invites only work if you are port forwarded. Bundles I agree are a good > > idea, and should be readable by the node if it's already installed, > > executable otherwise. > > Well, then we could gray them out if not port forwarded and ask the > user to add proper port forwarding before inviting others. Or at least > warn, that the bundle will only work for opennet without port > forwaring. Or better: That without port-forwarding it wil require > manual verification. Or use FOAFs to avoid the problem entirely. And with it the uptime problem too. > > That is something people already know. *Some* people already know. > > > > invitation.zip/ > > > freenet_windows.exe > > > freenet_macosx.app > > > freenet_gnulinux.sh > > > one_time_token.txt > > > > Customised settings too e.g. bookmarks. > > Bookmarks could be problematic, I think. People may not want to share > all their bookmarks with their friends. I would leave them out at > first and maybe later offer selection of bookmarks to send (a checkbox > for each bookmark). > > The friends might be able to eavesdrop to some degree, but trusting > friends to not spy on you is much easier that trusting them to not be > offended by stuff you do. Just think about sharing links to anti-state > sites with a socialist friend - or socialist pro-state sites with an > agorian friend. Sure, we'd want some sort of UI for whether or not to include bookmarks, or what bookmarks to include. > > You share that you do not want spying. That is enough to give you a > common base with which not passing on the bookmarks is equivalent to > keeping them private. > > > FOAF connections so you don't have to wait for me and are less > > dependant on me being port forwarded. > > That is a nice idea, yes. Are these already prepared or do they need > other changes? Partially implemented, but not ready yet. There is a branch. > > In the first case, that would be an easy win. In the second I think it > could be delayed for later improvements of the bundles. I don't think darknet is going to work well without FOAF connections. IMHO it's the top priority. > > > > I think we had that plan for over 5 years… > > > > Yup. > > Any chance to get it realized soon? I think it is THE major missing > feature for being able to grow in a grassroots way. I don't know. > > Best wishes, > Arne
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