On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 01:38:28PM -0500, Timm Murray wrote:
> >
> > > No more so then any other Free Software project.  Proably posted
> > > by some past-member of the dev mailing list who didn't get their way.
> >
> > CAUTION: FLAME WAR MATERIAL BELOW - (drink your morning coffee *before*
> > reading)
> >
> > Which is to say it is a problem then. Free software is almost exclusively
> > about ego. Hell, even Eric Raymond in HtN said as much - developers
> > want respect, *that's why they release their code*. These people are
> > also human. Witness the fragmenting and bitter wars between the various
> > BSD camps if you don't think ego gets involved in "free projects". That
> > doesn't say it will automatically happen, but it is a possibility, and
> > if people feel that way, it needs to be addressed - whether you believe
> > that's the case or not, other people do.
> 
> Yes, my point was that its not something special about Freenet.  It happens
> in *all* Free Software projects.  Its just a matter of how much ego is
> healthy and how much is damaging.  I haven't really seen a case where this
> has gotten out of control in this project.

That simply not true. There are no ego issues here - none. This project is
different from many others, especially in from the ethically devoid ESR
school of thought, in that we have a clear purpose, very active
motivation, and a very real battle to fight.

I am not here to increase my standing among geeks, be in the press, or
brown nose my own ego. I am here because this project stands for something
extremely important - something that has to be done. I am here because
working on this project is the only thing that keeps me sane while I watch
the Valenti's, Rosen's. Reno's, Freeh's and Kaplan's of the world laugh in
our faces as they take our Freedom away. This is not an ego thing.

> > Personally, *I* don't see much ego getting in the way here. It seems
> > that most of the complaining has to do with the fact that the code
> > is not stable and people are still pushing to add new features.
> 
> Isn't that a lovely combination?  "Fix whats there" and "make new stuff."  I
> blame Microsoft for this kind of crap (for obvious reasons).  Lets just
> focus on getting Freenet into a solid, reliable state that meets its design
> goals.  Then we worry about adding new stuff.

It's not that the code is not stable, it's been more or less stable all
along (more thanks to Java then to us), but that the system is not
stable. I don't feel like running off to put in things like searching and
updating until we know that the the very most basic thing - asking for a
key and getting the data back, works next to perfectly.


-- 
\oskar
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