On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 17:15:04 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 17:00:36 Daxter wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> > > On Saturday 10 Mar 2012 16:44:55 Daxter wrote:
> > >> On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Florent Daigniere wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 07:11:19PM -0600, Daxter wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> I'm all for HTTPS, but do we really want to outright *remove* 
> > >>>> functionality from the site? Sure, HTTP isn't secure and all "modern" 
> > >>>> web browsers support it. However, we would be making it harder for 
> > >>>> people to learn about Freenet and potentially try it out. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Why? You could still access it over HTTP... and be presented with 
> > >>> (transparent) redirect to the secure version.
> > >> 
> > >> I just scratched an itch and discovered that even Lynx supports HTTPS? 
> > >> If it really is the case that HTTPS has become so ubiquitous that users 
> > >> wouldn't be affected, then sure, go ahead with it.
> > >> 
> > >> HOWEVER: the question really needs to be restated. Are there any 
> > >> countries or ISPs that are known to disallow secure communications?
> > >> 
> > >>>> In the end I think we should do what every major website does today: 
> > >>>> encrypt the important data and let the entire site be accessible 
> > >>>> securely, but don't force it onto people.
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> -Daxter
> > >>> 
> > >>> It's very difficult to do and most websites do it wrong. You have to 
> > >>> think about mixed-content errors, cookie flags, ...
> > >>> 
> > >>> Sending credentials in cleartext like we do on the wikis, with no 
> > >>> secure alternative, is a disgrace.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Florent
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Can you give me an example of a website that in your mind does either 
> > >> the mixed model or the secure-only model properly? It would be nice to 
> > >> compare with them.
> > >> 
> > >> Actually, the wiki supports HTTPS right now. You'll get a certificate 
> > >> error, but it works.
> > > 
> > > Why do you get a cert error? We have a wildcard cert!
> > >> 
> > >> While we're on the subject (as I've never bothered with HTTPS on the 
> > >> site until now), turns out it's rather misconfigured. Both the wiki and 
> > >> the main site return a certificate for emu.freenetproject.org? That 
> > >> address isn't accessible--what was it, and shouldn't we get this fixed?
> > > 
> > > Eh? I thought we used the wildcard cert for everything?
> > 
> > Nope, both are using a cert for emu.freenetproject.org. Also, the 
> > certificate is bound to expire on 4/27/2012 so we really should get this 
> > fixed!
> 
> Are you sure it isn't a wildcard cert? Wildcard is an extension. IIRC I don't 
> see a warning on HTTPS://freenetproject.org/.

No, it's not, it just has a lot of alternate names.
> 
> I agree we need to renew it though. :(
> 
Need to chase this up. I believe me and Ian have access, I will deal soon.
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