Nice to see that the email arrived at the Mailling list :-) I personally have never run a business. However, I know this procedure from the community network dn42, for example. To get larger resources there, you have to ask the Mailling list for permission, for example.
Codeberg.org for example offers the possibility of a paid membership. In this membership you can vote on decisions. (Codeberg has implemented a great token system for this). On Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:01:56 -0600 Ian Clarke <i...@freenet.org> wrote: > > > > Only if the majority of the community agrees, this change should be > > implemented > > > Have you ever actually run a company, organization, or significant project? > It really doesn't sound like it. > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 1:59 PM Marek Küthe <m...@mk16.de> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I am a Freenet user and also wanted to speak up. > > > > <irony>Since I have no position within Freenet, you can simply ignore > > the email.</irony>. > > > > Everything I say here is my personal opinion. I do not want to > > personally insult, abuse or otherwise verbally hurt anyone. If anyone > > feels personally attacked, I am sorry. I will use the first names of > > the persons in the following, because I consider this as usual in the > > internet. I do not mean to imply that I disrespect anyone. > > > > 1) Major changes in a concept or in a program (I count the name change > > to it) should be discussed in the Commuity. There should be factual > > arguments exchanged. Only if the majority of the community agrees, this > > change should be implemented. This is something that makes community > > projects. Even if you don't count Freenet as a community project, the > > current developers should agree. As far as I have noticed, this is > > currently not Ian, but rather Arne. > > > > 2) Transparency is part of a good FLOSS project. Not giving information > > about donations or decision making process is wrong. > > > > The process like the decision has not been presented transparently. It > > was only said that privately over a longer period of time, with Arne > > was spoken, but without his consent to achieve. > > > > Of course, it always depends on the project, but I know it so that > > always first the opinions of several people are obtained before a > > decision is discussed. As far as I have noticed, only Ian and Arne were > > involved, which have referred to mutual points of view. In my opinion > > it would have made sense (and still does) to get the opinions of more > > people and make a decision based on that. If you don't want to ask any > > person from the community, you can take for example every person who > > has committed to the project in the last years. > > > > 3) I think the real identity of people does not count. Even a > > pseudonymous person can be a member of a community. Their votes should > > be counted the same as those of non-anonymous members. > > > > 4) > > > > a) I don't know if it's just my subjective perception: I think Ian > > contradicts himself in parts of his statements. On the one hand he > > says that he likes to answer questions, but he doesn't always > > answer factually. > > > > b) Here's my feeling: Ian announced it on the Mailling list. There > > was strong resistance to it. First there was factual discussion, > > but when the arguments ran out, there were personal attacks. This > > to me is a sign of desperation. > > > > 5) I think a name change will greatly confuse future users: > > > > a) There are many documentations (some of them very old) which are > > not updated. If someone finds a documentation for Freenet and it is > > about Fred and not about Locutus, this can lead to confusion. > > > > b) If no one from the community or the developers agrees, how > > should something be implemented? As far as I can see, this would > > rather mean that there will be a fork of the Freenet project. > > > > 6) Is Freenet a mission or a software? Personally, I think it is > > software - as most people probably do. For example, Freenet is also > > described as software on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet and > > https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/freenet and not as a mission. If it is > > a mission, it would have made sense to clarify this early on and not > > wait until it is crucial. Even the website https://freenetproject.org/ > > talks about a platform, therefore a kind of software, and not about a > > mission. > > > > Personally, I have always seen the mission as the background to why > > Freenet was developed. > > > > 7) I personally find the name Locutus very nice and would also be very > > confused if it was suddenly called Freenet. Experience has shown that a > > project is not evaluated by name, but by content. > > > > 8) One way to get clarity about the discussion now would be for example > > to talk to the users one in IRC or alternatively to write to the > > committers and ask what they think. I think based on their opinion a > > judgement should be made and not based on the opinion of a few people > > (or even one). Ian has mentioned many times that users do not speak on > > behalf of the community. While it is difficult to determine something > > like that, there are definitely some possibilities: One could contact > > the users of Freenet via Sone or IRC and get their opinion. > > > > Furthermore, I think that such a decision and thus the change will > > ultimately be implemented by the developers of the software. If the > > developers decide against it, there is a) the possibility to accept > > this or b) to make a fork. With a) you can clearly see at Freenet that > > the developers do not agree with it. b) could only make Ian. Then there > > would be a Freenet with the developers, which is up to date and a > > one-time snapshot from Ian with the name "Freenet Classic". If anyone > > here sees another possibility, I would be interested. > > > > I would be happy if I am not called an "idiot", "child" or the like. > > > > Greetings > > > > -- > > Marek Küthe > > m...@mk16.de > > er/ihm he/him > > > > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org <i...@freenetproject.org> -- Marek Küthe m...@mk16.de er/ihm he/him
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