I see lots of you are in favor of making modifications to the content of the page (the view mode option). I would also be in favor except for the points below. My main worry is that this leads to pages with not only content but also layout/presentation code (navigation menu/ space selection).
Ideally I think these should come "around" a page and not be mixed in a page. My reasons: * It means we need to provide additional code, maintain it and offer macros/apis so that other users can also use this new navigation manner should they want to do that in their own pages * If we modify the skin, these will also need to be modified and it's additional work. Compared to the panels solution it's a lot more work (for implementing, for maintaining). * It's not consistent with other modes like the edit mode and with general navigation we're offering. Some of you mentioned that we shouldn't use the side panels for admin navigation since it's not consistent with the Panels Wizard which requires view mode. Actually the Panels wizard doesn't require view mode. It requires a special Design View that makes left and right panels appear according to user's selection and the ability to move panels around. We should definitely not choose a general solution because one admin option (the Panel Wizard) requires a different mode. * Last it seems you don't agree with the notion of View (aka Perspectives). For example in Eclipse there's a Java perspective, a Debug perspective, a Repository one, etc. the rationale is that once you have a certain amount of data to present it's just too heavy to put them all on a single page as this page becomes messy. My take is that it's natural that the edit mode has a special View, that normal page browsing has another and that Admin has yet another. This is what means the cleanest possible interface by far IMO and uses the best the browser's view space. I really think we're starting (or continuing/making it worse) a bad trend of putting layout/presentation inside pages whereas they should be "around" pages but apparently I'm the only one to think so. Thinking about this if we had a top banner space for putting navigation panels in there that would suit me much better. I know that I'm in the minority so I'll bend to the general agreement. Thanks -Vincent On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > I'm +1 for view mode and left panel take too many place so : Layout2 > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Evelina Slatineanu > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am +1 for layout 2 + Jv's proposal to have a hidden div for the >> big icons >> (which is even faster than ajax and it is exactly like Control >> Panel in >> Windows - no need to have the menu anymore). >> >> Although layout 3 looks good at first view, I have some comments >> about it: >> >> 1. the integration of admin pages like Panels (which need view >> mode) can be >> very difficult (example: for Panel Wizard >> I had to change layoutvars.vm so that it display the panels for the >> requested space instead of the ones in "Panels" space). >> >> 2. why not letting the user to customize the administration layout >> as he >> wants, meaning to choose what panels he wants to have on the left >> or on the >> right in the admin page? I mean if the users sees that he needs >> more room >> to edit application pages inside admin, he can change the >> layout...I really >> don't see the issue >> >> So I'm really +1 to keep admin in view mode. >> >> Thanks, >> Evelina >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of >> Jean-Vincent Drean >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:32 PM >> To: XWiki Developers >> Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Overhaul of the administration, >> layout >> >> BTW I'm +1 for Layout2. >> >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Hi XWikiers, >>> >>> Evelina has finished the ground work on the new administration and >>> it's now time to vote for its layout. >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministration >>> >>> Proposals : >>> >>> Admin in view mode, with a left menu : >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout1 >>> Admin in view mode, without a left menu : >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout2 >>> Admin in edit mode, with a navigation panel : >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout3 >>> Admin in edit mode, without a navigation panel : >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout4 >>> >>> Other question, how do we display the space selector : >>> >>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationSpaceSel >> ection >>> >>> -- >>> Jean-Vincent Drean >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jean-Vincent Drean >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
