Summary : 4 +1 for Layout 2, 1 +1 for Layout 3, 1 +1 for Layout 4.
I'll commit the new administration application during the week-end (big commit). On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Vincent Massol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see lots of you are in favor of making modifications to the content > of the page (the view mode option). I would also be in favor except > for the points below. My main worry is that this leads to pages with > not only content but also layout/presentation code (navigation menu/ > space selection). > > Ideally I think these should come "around" a page and not be mixed in > a page. My reasons: > * It means we need to provide additional code, maintain it and offer > macros/apis so that other users can also use this new navigation > manner should they want to do that in their own pages > * If we modify the skin, these will also need to be modified and it's > additional work. Compared to the panels solution it's a lot more work > (for implementing, for maintaining). > * It's not consistent with other modes like the edit mode and with > general navigation we're offering. Some of you mentioned that we > shouldn't use the side panels for admin navigation since it's not > consistent with the Panels Wizard which requires view mode. Actually > the Panels wizard doesn't require view mode. It requires a special > Design View that makes left and right panels appear according to > user's selection and the ability to move panels around. We should > definitely not choose a general solution because one admin option (the > Panel Wizard) requires a different mode. > * Last it seems you don't agree with the notion of View (aka > Perspectives). For example in Eclipse there's a Java perspective, a > Debug perspective, a Repository one, etc. the rationale is that once > you have a certain amount of data to present it's just too heavy to > put them all on a single page as this page becomes messy. My take is > that it's natural that the edit mode has a special View, that normal > page browsing has another and that Admin has yet another. This is what > means the cleanest possible interface by far IMO and uses the best the > browser's view space. > > I really think we're starting (or continuing/making it worse) a bad > trend of putting layout/presentation inside pages whereas they should > be "around" pages but apparently I'm the only one to think so. > Thinking about this if we had a top banner space for putting > navigation panels in there that would suit me much better. > > I know that I'm in the minority so I'll bend to the general agreement. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > >> I'm +1 for view mode and left panel take too many place so : Layout2 >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Evelina Slatineanu >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I am +1 for layout 2 + Jv's proposal to have a hidden div for the >>> big icons >>> (which is even faster than ajax and it is exactly like Control >>> Panel in >>> Windows - no need to have the menu anymore). >>> >>> Although layout 3 looks good at first view, I have some comments >>> about it: >>> >>> 1. the integration of admin pages like Panels (which need view >>> mode) can be >>> very difficult (example: for Panel Wizard >>> I had to change layoutvars.vm so that it display the panels for the >>> requested space instead of the ones in "Panels" space). >>> >>> 2. why not letting the user to customize the administration layout >>> as he >>> wants, meaning to choose what panels he wants to have on the left >>> or on the >>> right in the admin page? I mean if the users sees that he needs >>> more room >>> to edit application pages inside admin, he can change the >>> layout...I really >>> don't see the issue >>> >>> So I'm really +1 to keep admin in view mode. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Evelina >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Jean-Vincent Drean >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:32 PM >>> To: XWiki Developers >>> Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Overhaul of the administration, >>> layout >>> >>> BTW I'm +1 for Layout2. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi XWikiers, >>>> >>>> Evelina has finished the ground work on the new administration and >>>> it's now time to vote for its layout. >>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministration >>>> >>>> Proposals : >>>> >>>> Admin in view mode, with a left menu : >>>> >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout1 >>>> Admin in view mode, without a left menu : >>>> >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout2 >>>> Admin in edit mode, with a navigation panel : >>>> >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout3 >>>> Admin in edit mode, without a navigation panel : >>>> >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationLayout4 >>>> >>>> Other question, how do we display the space selector : >>>> >>>> >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/ImproveWikiAdministrationSpaceSel >>> ection >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jean-Vincent Drean >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jean-Vincent Drean >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Jean-Vincent Drean _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
