Hi, On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
> Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Anamaria Stoica <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> Hi devs, > >> > >> I restructured a bit the Design page for Gadgets Integration [0]. I > >> introduced 2 new sections called 'Main Elements' and 'Full Proposals'. > >> > >> The 'Main Elements' section describes the general elements which would > >> be needed/affected by the integration like the Dashboard, Gadgets > >> Directory, Gadget Macros and Panel Wizard, providing several > >> implementation options for each of them. > >> > >> The next section 'Full Proposals' describes entire solutions for > >> Gadgets integration (the full story), by combining implementation > >> options for each element defined in the 'Main Elements' section. > >> > >> Right now there are only 2 Proposals: > >> * Proposal 1 - Gadgets added on Dashboards through Gadgets Directory, > >> and not WYSIWYG Insert Macro Dialog [1] > >> * Proposal 2 - Multiple Macros - each XWiki&Google Gadget as its own > Macro > >> [2] > >> , but other may be proposed by mixing other element options in the > >> 'Main Elements' section or introducing new ones. For example, Proposal > >> 1 could be modified to also use an extended WYSIWYG Insert Macro > >> dialog for gadgets. > >> > > > > I think an important bit of information that we're missing here is an > > evaluation of how long would either way take to implement. I'd be in > favor > > of going for Proposal 2 if the WYSIWYG dialog boxes were easier to > extend. > > However I'm afraid this is going to be a daunting task if done today. > > > > Thus for now I'm +1 for Proposal 1 (the downside being that we introduce > > some duplication between macros and gadgets). > > Hmm, IMO it is exactly the opposite. If gadgets are imported as macros > then the WYSIWYG editor doesn't have to know about gadgets and doesn't > have to be extended. If we implement a single generic gadget-macro then > it will require special handling from the WYSIWYG editor. > > I'm more for unifying the notion of gadget, panel or macro, thus I'm > more for proposal 2. > Ideally that's also what I would go for. I just want to be sure we're not launching ourselves into a daunting initiative. Marius, if there's one macro per gadget, how do you create a dashboard (dashboard macro + a macro for every gadget) through the WYSIWYG? An option is to have the following behavior: as soon as one gadget macro is added to a page, a dashboard is implicitly created. The WYSIWYG actually also becomes a dashboard creator. However I'm not sure we could have gadget drag & drop reordering right in the WYSIWYG editor, could we? Guillaume > Thanks, > Marius > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > >> The mockups page has been divided into 3: > >> * Mockups for GadgetsIntegration - General [3] > >> * Mockups for GadgetsIntegration - Proposal 1 [4] > >> * Mockups for GadgetsIntegration - Proposal 2 [5] > >> > >> Feedback and new ideas are very welcome > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Anamaria > >> > >> [0] - http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/GadgetIntegration > >> [1] - > >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/GadgetIntegration#HProposal1GadgetsaddedonDashboardsthroughGadgetsDirectory2CandnotWYSIWYGInsertMacroDialog > >> [2] - > >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/GadgetIntegration#HProposal2MultipleMacroseachXWiki26GoogleGadgetasitsownMacro > >> [3] - > >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegration > >> [4] - > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegrationProposal1 > >> [5] - > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegrationProposal1 > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> On 12/8/09 10:02 AM, Anamaria Stoica wrote: > >>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Vincent Massol<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Anamaria Stoica wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To address Caty's feedback on > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegration(thanks > >> < > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegration%28thanks > >>>>>> Caty!): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. Should Google Gadgets also be able to add on the side menus? > >>>>>> (where the > >>>>>> Panels currently are) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think users should be able to do this also. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If so, it would make sense to also have a Gadgets macro (not only a > >>>>>> dashboard macro). But how would it be connected to the dashboard > >>>>>> macro? Can > >>>>>> the content of a macro be other macros? Something like: > >>>>>> {{dashboard}} > >>>>>> {{gadget ../}}{{gadget ../}}{{gadget ../}} > >>>>>> {{gadget ../}} > >>>>>> {{gadget ../}} > >>>>>> {{/dashboard}} > >>>>>> , where each row is a stack(column) of the dashboard. > >>>>>> > >>>>> Yes that's very easy to do technically. One simple way is to allow > >>>>> wiki content inside the dashboard macro. Then it's a one liner to > >>>>> support it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Question: What would the dashboard macro do? Is it just for layout? > In > >>>>> which case I'd rather have a more generic {{layout}} macro that can > be > >>>>> used or not be used at will. Or even use the {{column}} macro that we > >>>>> need to write in 2.0 syntax. See: > >>>>> - http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/ColumnMacro > >>>>> - > http://code.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Macros/DisplayPanelLayoutMacro > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> The dashboard should contain the gadgets on 3 columns, and support > >> drag&drop > >>>> for them, like here: > >>>> > >> > http://gsoc.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Google+Gadget+and+OpenSocial+Integration/AppDashboard > >>>> or on iGoogle. > >>>> > >>>> Now, it's not clear whether the window of the gadget should be part of > >> the > >>>> Dashboard or the Gadget's macro. > >>>> > >>>> Supporting drag&drop, the windows must be subclasses of isc.Window, > >> placed > >>>> inside a isc.VStack subclass, > >>>> which are placed inside a isc.HLayout subclass. (the last 2 obviously > >> being > >>>> part of the Layout of the Dashboard) > >>>> (isc.Window, isc.VStack, isc.HLayout are classes in the SmartClient > >>>> library). > >>>> > >>> Question: are we sure we want to implement it with SmartClient? Isn't > it > >>> overkill ? > >>>> But the Gadgets outside of a Dashboard don't need to be placed inside > >>>> isc.Window's, as they don't need drag&drop. > >>>> > >>>> How can the container of a Gadget be chosen depending on where it's > >> placed > >>>> (into a Dashboard, on a side menu Panel), > >>>> if the window is not part of the Layout? > >>>> > >>>> About DisplayPanelLayoutMacro&Column macros: > >>>> I think that a kind of DisplayPanelLayoutMacro in combination with a > >> kind of > >>>> ColumnMacro would work just fine. > >>>> > >>> for the record, I wrote a first draft of a column macro for syntax 2.0 > >>> in the contrib sandbox : > >>> > >>> > >> > http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/sandbox/xwiki-rendering-macro-column/ > >>> (it's actually two macro, {{section}} and {{column}} that work > together, > >>> you can read it as an example). > >>> > >>> Jerome. > >>>> I say a kind of, because the DisplayPanelLayoutMacro would have to > >> create a > >>>> isc.HLayout object and the ColumnMacro > >>>> a isc.VLayout object. > >>>> > >>>> But I'd rather use just one simple macro using the combination of the > 2 > >>>> mentioned above called dashboard. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> 2. "The thing is that we need to think about the functional > >>>>>> duplication of > >>>>>> the Panel Wizard and the new Dashboard." Caty > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/AnamariaStoica> > >>>>>> Yes, we need to think about the interface for (Gadgets&XWiki) > >> Gadgets > >>>>>> Directory and Panel Wizard. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What would their roles be? Their content? (One would add Google > >>>>>> Gadgets/Panels to Dashboard macros, the other to side menus...?) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is one interface enough for Dashboard Gadgets and Panels? If so, how > >>>>>> would > >>>>>> it look like? (where to put it, Panel Wizard is in Admin interface) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, should the Gadgets Directory support adding gadgets to any > >>>>>> Dashboard > >>>>>> macro in any page, or just to personal dashboard? > >>>>>> > >>>>> I think Gadgets and Panels should be one and the same, unless there's > >>>>> a difference I don't see. The only difference I can think of is the > >>>>> source of the content but it's easy to make that generic. > >>>>> > >>>>> Another idea is to consider the panel as only the outside shell/box > >>>>> and inside the panel it should be possible to put wiki syntax, > >>>>> including a gadget representation. Thus everything would be a panel. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Anamaria > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Anamaria Stoica< > >> [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This should go beyond user profiles. Space home pages but any page > >>>>>>>> should be able to be dashboard pages. > >>>>>>>> For these pages we would need a way to make them display as > >>>>>>>> dashboard > >>>>>>>> pages by default. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We should also make it easy to make these pages dashboard pages > >>>>>>>> when in > >>>>>>>> the wysiwyg. Like include a "dashboard" macro. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I view it like that: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1/ Open a page in wysiwyg > >>>>>>>> 2/ Type some text, include a dashboard macro > >>>>>>>> 3/ Save > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> When in view the dashboard macro renders the dashboard settings > >>>>>>>> saved in > >>>>>>>> the content field of the dashboard macro or in XWiki objects save > >>>>>>>> in the > >>>>>>>> page. > >>>>>>>> It adds JS tools to allow to move and change your gadgets and > panels > >>>>>>>> used in your dashboard. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gadgets on the iGoogle panel also have an Edit Settings action on > >>>>>>> the top > >>>>>>> right > >>>>>>> corner of every gadget, which opens a form with settings for that > >>>>>>> gadget. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Question: > >>>>>>> If one user changes these settings, should they be visible to > >>>>>>> everyone, or > >>>>>>> just to the > >>>>>>> user editing them? (this way different users will see the gadgets > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>> different settings > >>>>>>> for the same dashboard) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On the personal dashboard is obvious that only you get to change > >>>>>>> them, and > >>>>>>> maybe view > >>>>>>> the dashboard, > >>>>>>> but what about any dashboard added as a macro on a regular page? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think the changes should be visible to everyone with view rights > >>>>>>> on the > >>>>>>> page, and > >>>>>>> the settings editable for everyone with edit rights on the same > page. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> WDYT? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With this method we might not need the xpage=dashboard template, > >>>>>>>> as you > >>>>>>>> could just have an #if in the XWikiUserSheet which displays the > >>>>>>>> dashboard based on URL params. > >>>>>>>> The #if would make a call to the XWiki {{dashboard}} macro > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ludovic > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Anamaria Stoica a écrit : > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'd like to start working on Gadgets Integration. (this is a new > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> feature) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've been working on the specs with Guillaume, and you can see > the > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Design > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> page here: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/GadgetIntegration > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The aim of the gadget integration is to provide XWiki users with > a > >>>>>>>>> dashboard-like page that will display a list of gadgets. These > >>>>>>>>> gadgets > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> be either internal gadgets (similar to XWiki panels) or external > >>>>>>>>> gadgets > >>>>>>>>> (coming from the Google Gadget repository for instance). Users > can > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> select > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> which gadgets to display on their dashboard from a gadget > directory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> located > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> on the wiki. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I've also created a few Mockups here > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Mockups/GadgetsIntegrationfor > >>>>>>>>> the Dashboard, Gadget Windows and Gadgets Directory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> List of features: > >>>>>>>>> Dashboard > >>>>>>>>> - Dashboard for each user with drag&drop for Gadget Windows > >>>>>>>>> - Display both Google Gadgets and XWiki Gadgets (Panels) > >>>>>>>>> Directory > >>>>>>>>> - An internal directory with Gadgets in the wiki divided in 3 > >>>>>>>>> parts: > >>>>>>>>> * XWiki Gadgets defined in the wiki / in the farm > (current > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Panels) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> * Google Gadgets selected out of the global Google > >>>>>>>>> Directory by > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wiki > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> admins > >>>>>>>>> * If allowed by wiki admins: full Google Gadgets > Directory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I'd like to include all of the above with basic functionalities > >>>>>>>>> into > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2.2M1. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> One thing is not clear at this point>> The relationship between > >>>>>>>>> XWiki > >>>>>>>>> Gadgets and current Panels: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> They are basically the same thing (same content), but they will > >>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> different containers (drag&drop window with edit settings on > >>>>>>>>> Dashboard > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> present containers for the side menu Panels). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Will all Panels make sense as XWiki Gadgets? If no, when a new > >>>>>>>>> Panel is > >>>>>>>>> created, how do you know it's meant to be only a side menu Panel > >>>>>>>>> and not > >>>>>>>>> also a XWikiGadget? (this applies for current Panels as well) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Also, very important: where should the interface for the Gadgets > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Directory > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> be placed? Appended to Panels.WebHome or new directory > >>>>>>>>> Gadgets.WebHome? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> my opinion it needs a different interface from the Panel Wizard > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Interface. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Panel Wizard is in the Wiki Preferences (administration > >>>>>>>>> space) open > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> only > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to Admins, but the Directory will have to be available to all > users > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (even > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> browsable by everyone). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> An admin interface for picking Google Gadgets from iGoogle > >>>>>>>>> Directory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and/or > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> XWiki Panels for the Gadgets Directory might be needed. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> How should I treat the 2 of them (XWiki Gadgets vs side menu > >>>>>>>>> Panels)? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> Anamaria > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> devs mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> devs mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> devs mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
