http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal/integrated.png Good idea ! A good way to show information in way it does not disturb user.
One thing I've always been wondering, what is the meta key ? 2010/1/19 Thibaut DEVERAUX <[email protected]>: > Hi, > > > I think the two make sens. > > An annotation module as simple way to add personal notes on the page. > > A "quotes + icones on page" module as a way to annotate and discuss > directly on the page. > > > > The only thing wich is making me wondering is the annotation tab as it > add another way to get the information while there is already the > icones on the page. > > 1/ Is this tab really usefull or just an additional feature : "best > with but not needed" > > 2/ Isn't there is a risk of overloading the wiki if each feature has > so many options ? > > > > I'd like to sugsest two reflexion start points : > > > A/ Simplicity > > It is never a problem to add one tab, but it is a problem when each > feature add complexity. > > Just imgagine someone want to add 10 features that use such tabs. Then > he will have 14 tabs ! > > That why I'm pro *guetting the features a simple as possible* to avoid > information overload when many features are activated. > > > --- Start point 1 --- > Do not use a tab for annotation by default. Just leave them on page. > > > > B/ Intergration > > Also that's why I prefer to intergate several functionalities in a > single functionality when there is a usage justification. > > Here usages sugest that annoatation are on the same scope of use as > comments for the readers. They may want to have it all at the same > place to get an overveiw of people reactions. > > --- Start point 2 --- > Put the anotation tab content in the comment tab content. > The deal is to make it so that the user understand the way he interact with > it. > > > > @Anca > >> We could indeed push for this kind of integration with XE > > Not sure to understand ? > Please dont make it a standart feature. ;-) I guess for much users is > not really need as they have other ways to tell about text details > than using quotes+icones or annotation system (simplely copy/past in > comments) > > > > @Caty > >>- your display options are not very well positioned because the example is a >>poem, but in real life, the text will use all the area, and the right >>aligned position will not look so smooth as it looks now, being pushed up >>and outside the text. > > Sure, I didn't looked so much in positionnement. > > >>- your ideas and scenario about the similarities between annotations and >>comment is interesting and pertinent. Anca should tell her opinion about >>this from an implementation point of view. >> >>- if the annotations were comments, then we don't need a separation of >>terms. The icon should be comment instead of annotation and they should >>suppose to be localized comments, not something else. And also we didn't >>need two add actions in the tab. > > More preciselly is not an annotation module but a quote module that > also makes possible to have icones on text, providing the same service > as an annotation module. > > I tried a design where there is no box showing comments on pages but a > link to the right place in comment zone. > However I find it to be less fluid for the user. You can have a look > on it, it may grant some ideas : > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal/Quotesalternativelessfluidmoresimple-08.png > > >>- I disagree with the explicit display of replies in the annotation >>details/actions overlay. This representation could get very big and block >>all the text behind. Also if we would display it like this, then the Tab >>would be redundant. > > Well, I think the replies are needed because it become a conversation. > So that the whoole conversation is needed to understand the quote. > > I'm not sur having big boxes is a problem. When you open a box you are > reading the box, then you close it. > Indeed most of boxes will not be big. > > >>- I agree with the icon from the tab that takes you to the location in the >>content. > > Think it could be added in the original design too. > >>- The problem with this approach is that we need to annotate not just text, >>but add tags and other metadata to the content. This is an argument to have >>another tab for annotations. > > Well, I'm not sure to understand it. Is is programmation matters ? > If not I think that quoting the text is already a good thing. > The quote button is on the page wich, in an information architecture > way, sugsest to the user that this is the text that is to be quoted. > >>- when you show linked replies for an annotation, the new comment you add is >>an annotation for the original annotation? or for the comment? :) > > Hay... I don't understand it at all. > > What user can do is : > - Quoting the text while reading, using the quote button at the top > of the text. > - Opening a conversation related to the text quote directly on the page. > - Quoting the text while writting a comment, using the quote button > in the comment field > - Interacting in a classic way in comments > > The idea is more making a quote system, able to provide the same > service as an annotation system adding the two first ways of > interacting to the two last which would be the "classics" of a quoting > system. > > > Thx > Thibaut > > > 2010/1/18 Anca Luca <[email protected]> >> >> Hi JV, >> >> On 01/18/2010 07:21 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote: >> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Thibaut DEVERAUX >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm ok to the "add" button. This was only a very quick axis for >> >> reflexion. >> >> >> >> I agree to ludovic on the point there is a need on something less visible >> >> on >> >> the page. Imo we can also make it more simple in the toughts. >> >> >> >> As I can't sleep this morning I have made some more constructed UX about >> >> the >> >> module. >> >> Editable pdf (use illustrator or inkscape) : >> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal/XWikiAnnotationmodule.pdf >> >> Png on Flickr : >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/thibautdeveraux/sets/72157623219280278/ >> >> This is ideas, use it in a "remix" way. ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Notes taken during the design (hope it is clear) : >> >> >> >> * >> >> **Stage 1 : Get the concept from utility >> >> >> >> What are the utility uses of annotations ?* >> >> >> >> I guess that, in a global point of view, the use of anotations is to >> >> discuss >> >> on details points of a text. >> >> >> >> For example Mr John have redacted a commercial proposition and the team >> >> makes a review of it. >> >> >> >> Generally people quote the text in the comments. With the annotation >> >> module >> >> it will be more easy to find the parts of the text wich have been >> >> commented. >> >> >> >> >> >> *===> Annotations are comments ?* >> >> >> >> For readers the utility use of comments is to see people reactions. Both >> >> comments and annotations are people reactions. >> >> >> >> If there is two tabs in the bottom menu, readers will have to swich from >> >> one >> >> to another to see all the people reactions, getting lose in having two >> >> options for one single use. >> >> >> >> *Get the concept from utility :* >> >> *For the reader, an annotations is a comment where a text is quoted* >> >> >> >> At this stage of the reflexion, we can guess that, the comment tab and the >> >> annotation tab at the bottom of the page should be merged. >> >> >> > >> > This makes a lot of sense to me, has this option been explored ? Has >> > it been dropped for some reason ? >> >> Indeed it makes a lot of sense but I'm thinking it should be an 'additional' >> integration using the annotations default implementation. >> >> Annotations are designed (and will be implemented) to be structured and >> flexible, as in contain any kind of structured metadata (most probably >> defined >> by an xwiki class) with customizable views and all. This way they could be >> integrated with comments, if needed, or handled distinctly, if needed. >> >> We could indeed push for this kind of integration with XE, if we decide we >> want >> it like this, but I think the generic annotations feature should stay a bit >> more >> 'disconnected'. >> >> Thanks, >> Anca >> >> > >> >> >> >> *Stage 2 : get the interactions from usage chains >> >> >> >> Build the usage chains* ---> *Interactions * (priority : * to *** ) >> >> >> >> Notice : if statements lead to a too complexe interface, select only the >> >> main points that should be keeped >> >> >> >> *First time reading :* >> >> >> >> - I read the page >> >> --- While reading the page I notice the people annotations *----> >> >> User can >> >> see where are annotations on page *** >> >> ----- *Then I may want to read it* ---> User can read annotations >> >> directly >> >> on the page *** >> >> * ------- I may comment people reactions directly on the anotation box >> >> *---> >> >> User can comment the annotation directly on page* ** >> >> --- While reading I may quote a part of the text and comment it *---> >> >> User >> >> can add an anotation direclty on page **** >> >> * >> >> * - I read the comments >> >> --- While reading the comment I may notice that someone quoted a part of >> >> the page *---> User can see annotations in comments* *** >> >> ----- Then I may go back to the text to find the quoted text in context >> >> *---> >> >> ** **User can see where are annotations on page **** >> >> --- While reading the comments I may react to it *---> User can answer >> >> to >> >> comments (already done)* ** >> >> ----- I may do it quoting a part of the text *---> User can make >> >> annotation >> >> starting from the comment zone*** ** >> >> * >> >> * - I have read the page and want to make a comment *---> User can make >> >> comments (already done)* *** >> >> ----- I may do it quoting a part of the text *---> User can make >> >> annotation >> >> starting from the comment zone* ** >> >> * >> >> >> >> **Comming back to see people reactions :* >> >> * >> >> * - I may look on the page to see if there is new part of the text >> >> quoted *----> >> >> User can see where are annotations on page *** /or even/ **User can see >> >> wich >> >> annotations are new on page ** >> >> *----- *Then I may want to read it* ---> User can read annotations >> >> directly on the page *** >> >> * ------- I may comment people reactions directly on the anotation box >> >> *---> >> >> User can comment the annotation directly on page* ** >> >> >> >> * * - More general way : I look for new comments *---> User can see which >> >> are the last comments (already done)* *** >> >> --- While reading the comment I may notice that someone quoted a part of >> >> the page *---> User can see annotations in comments* *** >> >> ----- Then I may go back to the text to find the quoted text in context >> >> *---> >> >> ** **User can see where are annotations on page **** >> >> --- While reading the comments I may react to it *---> User can answer >> >> to >> >> comments (already done)* ** >> >> ----- I may do it quoting a part of the text *---> User can make >> >> annotation >> >> starting from the comment zone* ** >> >> >> >> >> >> *Quick reference :* >> >> >> >> *User can see where are annotations on page *** >> >> **User can see which are the last comments (already done)* **** >> >> >> >> **User can read annotations in comments* *** >> >> *User can read annotations directly on the page **** >> >> >> >> *User can add an anotation direclty on page **** >> >> *User can add a comment (already done)* *** >> >> >> >> >> >> *User can comment the annotation directly on page* ** >> >> *User can comment the comments (already done)* **** >> >> * >> >> User can add annotation starting from the comment zone* ** >> >> * >> >> >> >> User can see wich annotations are new directly on page ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Stage 3 : draw the interface* >> >> >> >> Have a look at the schemas. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2010/1/15 Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I'm not sure if one button is better than showing upfront some >> >>> information. >> >>> It might be something we might have as an option in the Wiki. And we >> >>> need a >> >>> way to collapse it.. >> >>> >> >>> However one thing I'm quite sure of, is that it's enough blue bars.. so >> >>> we >> >>> need something less visible in the page.. >> >>> >> >>> Select the text + add will be an issue since the "Add" button might not >> >>> be >> >>> on screen.. >> >>> >> >>> Otherwise it's very nice.. I like the user colors, the annotation setting >> >>> and the annotation tab.. >> >>> >> >>> Note that an annotation creation or display can be much more than just >> >>> one >> >>> text.. >> >>> >> >>> Ludovic >> >>> >> >>> Le 15/01/10 21:51, Thibaut DEVERAUX a écrit : >> >>> >> >>> Hi Cathy, >> >>>> >> >>>> No time for visuals neither looking to much in it but did you think >> >>>> about >> >>>> a >> >>>> single button "show annotations options" ? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> *Button at start :* >> >>>> >> >>>> Show annotations options> >> >>>> >> >>>> *Clicking on the button open a menu :* >> >>>> >> >>>> Show annotations options> >> >>>> A line showing the users names by colors (if colors activated) >> >>>> [V] Hide/show icones on the page >> >>>> -- [V] Hide/show colors >> >>>> [+] Add annotation >> >>>> >> >>>> *Interact with anotations directly on the page :* >> >>>> Use the icones on page to interact : see, modify, react... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Let me know... >> >>>> >> >>>> Thibaut >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 2010/1/15 Ecaterina Valica<[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I made some UI suggestions for the annotations. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Overview: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Annotations/proposalAnn.png >> >>>>> Details: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposal >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Please let us (me and Anca) know what you think. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
