Hi, On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hello devs, > >> > >> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the wiki a > >> full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget so > >> that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two > >> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style, other is > >> with panels style). > >> > >> > >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboard.png > >> > >> > >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > >> > >> (also > >> > >> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashboard.xar) > if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it. > >> > >> I want to discuss the following points now: > >> 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki? > >> > > > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style > > (WikiDashboardPanels.png< > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > >). > > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any > value. > > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow for > the > > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the > > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules, configure > or > > manage existing ones, without writing too much code. > > I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we should > > emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing the > title. > > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based and > > focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use. > > With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of gadgets, > than > > to actually see what is the content of those gadgets. > > > > So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They will > see > > that if they go to edit mode. This feature will help them achieve things > > faster, but is not necessary to change the way they were doing things > until > > now. > > > > As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or "Home"; > "Wiki > > Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting page for me (unless maybe if I > am a > > technical user, but also not in this case). And the naming is very > important > > because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs. > > I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me and > quite common in lots of tools. > As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether it's a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks of content. They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or static HTML or whatever. Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page IMO. > "Home" is simple and standard. I like it. Guillaume > Thanks > -Vincent > > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to users and > >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do next? > >> > > > > Regarding this and also > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I > > think we should change something. > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this is > the > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of help. > > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be easily > > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out. > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard page, > >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki Dashboard" > >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the welcome > >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same page then > >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different pages... > >> Should we rename one? > >> > >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page, Main.Welcome, > >> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. This page can be > >> translated for getting the message in different languages. > >> > >> WDYT? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Anca > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
