On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:26 +0300, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > Hi Anca, > > Opinions: > > - We need to come to a conclusion with the Title naming. Right now having > 'Wiki Home' for the Main.WebHome would suggest to use something like 'Space > Home' for every other space, instead of WebHome. See also > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/sf5os7ihxeltz7s3
WebHome actually means SpaceHome :), "web" is the word used to designate "space" in old, now deprecated, APIs. I agree that it's not very understandable for normal people, especially as 'web' terminology is now deprecated. However, the name of the document stayed the same, WebHome, it's just the title that was changed. From what I can see, the titles of all other (default) spaces are all customized. I need to check what happens with space title when creating a new space, but otherwise I think they are 2 different things, page name is one and title is the other. I agree that it's not necessarily very easy to handle for normal users (name and title as 2 different things) but I think we chose this path when we chose emphasising the document title and the document title behaviour. > > - It's very nice that the position of the text in now inside and the Add > buttons are up. It gives them better visibility. Also the previous warning > message was a bit scary for the end user. > > - We need to change 'See space administration' icon which is a cog.gif now > with wrench.gif (just like in the action menu). It is confusing to have the > same icon for the gadget settings and when hovering on a space name. we can, yes. Just create an issue for the Spaces macro (XE, "Navigation application", I think). > > - When hovering on a gadget we have the cog icon appearing. We could also > have $theme.highlightColor as background for the .gadget-title . We use this > standard on items hover (comments, attachments, etc) we could use it here > too. I don't mind, except that it will be useless in "panels" style dashboard (in which gadgets have, depending on the colortheme, a colored title bar). When you decide upon it, just create an issue in the XWIKI, "Rendering" component. Personally I cannot invest too much time in stirring this discussion, and I don't really have too many proposals. > > - I don't know how to remove a Column. There's no UI for it, but I mentioned how to do it in the dashboard documentation: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Dashboard +Macro#HChangegadgetspositions . I agree it's totally undiscoverable for normal users, I just need to put a little time in it to provide some sort of UI. Thanks for feedback, Anca > > Thanks, > Caty > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 17:02, Luca Anca <[email protected]> wrote: > > > FYI, I created an issued for this change at > > http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-922 and I'm starting to prepare the > > commit (I implemented it in my local instance). > > > > I read again yday Cati's comments, and I think I understand them now. As > > I wrote in the issue description, basically the change, for the end > > user, is only a slight visual change of the position of the welcome > > message, with great benefits on the editing side. So I will go on with > > this change... > > Advanced users should still be able to edit the page as "just content", > > by choosing Edit -> Wysiwyg, and for simple users, from the input I > > have, it's of greater value to be able to easily edit as gadgets than as > > "just content". > > > > Thanks, > > Anca > > > > On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 18:37 +0200, Luca Anca wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 17:22 +0200, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello devs, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the > > wiki a > > > > > >> full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget > > so > > > > > >> that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two > > > > > >> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style, > > other is > > > > > >> with panels style). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboard.png > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > > > > > >> > > > > > >> (also > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashboard.xar > > ) > > > > > if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I want to discuss the following points now: > > > > > >> 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style > > > > > > (WikiDashboardPanels.png< > > > > > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > > > > > >). > > > > > > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any > > > > > value. > > > > > > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the > > > > > > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules, > > configure > > > > > or > > > > > > manage existing ones, without writing too much code. > > > > > > I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we > > should > > > > > > emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing > > the > > > > > title. > > > > > > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based > > and > > > > > > focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use. > > > > > > With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of > > gadgets, > > > > > than > > > > > > to actually see what is the content of those gadgets. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They > > will > > > > > see > > > > > > that if they go to edit mode. This feature will help them achieve > > things > > > > > > faster, but is not necessary to change the way they were doing > > things > > > > > until > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or > > "Home"; > > > > > "Wiki > > > > > > Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting page for me (unless maybe > > if I > > > > > am a > > > > > > technical user, but also not in this case). And the naming is very > > > > > important > > > > > > because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs. > > > > > > > > > > I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me > > and > > > > > quite common in lots of tools. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether > > it's > > > > a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks > > of > > > > content. They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or > > > > static HTML or whatever. > > > > > > I'm trying to answer this subthread but I don't understand what the > > > problem is. What does this "users don't care it's a dashboard or not" > > > thing? What does it refer to? To the usage of the "dashboard" macro? Who > > > said users should know? Is it because the page would be called > > > "dashboard"? That's ok, dashboard means actually "dashboard" as in "car > > > dashboard", main thing that you see when you jump in your wiki and start > > > driving it, it does not mean a technology... > > > > > > Is it the way it looks that makes it too technical? Is it bad that it's > > > in squares in columns? > > > I agree that panels style looks bad in default colortheme, in other > > > colorthemes looks a bit better. > > > In any case if this is the issue it's not an issue of the main page, > > > it's an issue of the UI of the dashboard macro in general. > > > > > > Or regardless of these aspects, our Main.WebHome is not a dashboard, is > > > something else? I strongly believe that it's a dashboard, from the pov > > > of the semantics: it has various "gadgets" that aggregate content from > > > various sources in the wiki providing the user with an overview and a > > > starting point for his wiki. Is _this_ what we don't agree about? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Anca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Home" is simple and standard. I like it. > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to > > users and > > > > > >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do > > next? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding this and also > > > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I > > > > > > think we should change something. > > > > > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of > > help. > > > > > > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be > > easily > > > > > > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard > > page, > > > > > >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki > > Dashboard" > > > > > >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the > > welcome > > > > > >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same > > page then > > > > > >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different > > pages... > > > > > >> Should we rename one? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page, > > Main.Welcome, > > > > > >> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. 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