FYI, I created an issued for this change at http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-922 and I'm starting to prepare the commit (I implemented it in my local instance).
I read again yday Cati's comments, and I think I understand them now. As I wrote in the issue description, basically the change, for the end user, is only a slight visual change of the position of the welcome message, with great benefits on the editing side. So I will go on with this change... Advanced users should still be able to edit the page as "just content", by choosing Edit -> Wysiwyg, and for simple users, from the input I have, it's of greater value to be able to easily edit as gadgets than as "just content". Thanks, Anca On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 18:37 +0200, Luca Anca wrote: > On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 17:22 +0200, Guillaume Lerouge wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 16:59, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:57, Luca Anca <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello devs, > > > >> > > > >> as suggested before, I would like to make the main page of the wiki a > > > >> full dashboard, namely to relocate the welcome message in a gadget so > > > >> that the type of page of the main page is more clear. See this two > > > >> screenshots about how it could look (one is with default style, other > > > >> is > > > >> with panels style). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboard.png > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > > > >> > > > >> (also > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/MainDashboard.xar) > > > if you want to import it in your own wiki and play with it. > > > >> > > > >> I want to discuss the following points now: > > > >> 1/ is the title "Wiki Dashboard" ok for the main page of the wiki? > > > >> > > > > > > > > IMO I don't like at all the panels style > > > > (WikiDashboardPanels.png< > > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Design/GadgetIntegration/WikiDashboardPanels.png > > > >). > > > > It adds too much weight on the visual aspect and does not bring any > > > value. > > > > IMO the dashboard should be something invisible, like magic somehow for > > > the > > > > editor, not for the viewer. The editor should benefit from all the > > > > advantages a dashboard system offers: easily add new modules, configure > > > or > > > > manage existing ones, without writing too much code. > > > > I don't understand why if we have a new feature ("dashboard") we should > > > > emphase it like this: changing the look of the homepage, changing the > > > title. > > > > I don't want my homepage to look like JIRA. My wiki should be based and > > > > focused on the content, not on the back techniques I use. > > > > With the panels style I'm more focused that I use 4 types of gadgets, > > > than > > > > to actually see what is the content of those gadgets. > > > > > > > > So what if the user will not know that we have now dashboards? They will > > > see > > > > that if they go to edit mode. This feature will help them achieve things > > > > faster, but is not necessary to change the way they were doing things > > > until > > > > now. > > > > > > > > As a conclusion, IMO the main page should be "Welcome ...", or "Home"; > > > "Wiki > > > > Dashboard" doesn't sound like a starting page for me (unless maybe if I > > > am a > > > > technical user, but also not in this case). And the naming is very > > > important > > > > because it will prefix all the breadcrumbs. > > > > > > I like having a dashboard as the home page, it's very logical to me and > > > quite common in lots of tools. > > > > > > > As Cati mentioned it, for end users (viewers) it doens't matter whether it's > > a dashboard or not. What they should see is simply a page with blocks of > > content. They don't care whether it's generated through a dashboard or > > static HTML or whatever. > > I'm trying to answer this subthread but I don't understand what the > problem is. What does this "users don't care it's a dashboard or not" > thing? What does it refer to? To the usage of the "dashboard" macro? Who > said users should know? Is it because the page would be called > "dashboard"? That's ok, dashboard means actually "dashboard" as in "car > dashboard", main thing that you see when you jump in your wiki and start > driving it, it does not mean a technology... > > Is it the way it looks that makes it too technical? Is it bad that it's > in squares in columns? > I agree that panels style looks bad in default colortheme, in other > colorthemes looks a bit better. > In any case if this is the issue it's not an issue of the main page, > it's an issue of the UI of the dashboard macro in general. > > Or regardless of these aspects, our Main.WebHome is not a dashboard, is > something else? I strongly believe that it's a dashboard, from the pov > of the semantics: it has various "gadgets" that aggregate content from > various sources in the wiki providing the user with an overview and a > starting point for his wiki. Is _this_ what we don't agree about? > > Thanks, > Anca > > > > > > Now for the title, it's better that it reflects the content of the page IMO. > > > > > > > "Home" is simple and standard. I like it. > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > >> 2/ Is the welcome message visible enough, is it accessible to users and > > > >> explanatory about what the page is about and what they could do next? > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regarding this and also > > > http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/b3xyxpg5f5wla4h7 I > > > > think we should change something. > > > > I work for 2 years at XWiki and tested every day snapshots and this is > > > the > > > > first time I read that message and didn't provide me anything of help. > > > > We could do a help gadget or an introduction gadget (that can be easily > > > > removed using the dashboard system) to help new users out. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > >> 3/ what would be the relation now with the old Main.Dashboard page, > > > >> which, as you can see in the quick links panel, is a "Wiki Dashboard" > > > >> itself? Should it be the same page? if so, is it ok that the welcome > > > >> message appears on the wiki dashboard? if they're not the same page > > > >> then > > > >> it's a bit strange that they're called the same but 2 different > > > >> pages... > > > >> Should we rename one? > > > >> > > > >> Technically the welcome message is written in a new page, Main.Welcome, > > > >> and then included in a gadget in the dashboard. This page can be > > > >> translated for getting the message in different languages. > > > >> > > > >> WDYT? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Anca > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
