I like your proposition Guillaume. It also makes appear that we definitively need a Space Index page, that will be consistent with the Wiki Index.
2014-09-25 12:31 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > I have started a new discussion [1] on the topic of the new location of > the > > Add menu in Flamingo which is, IMO, the real problem here. > > > > I'll answer on this thread. > > However, I stand by my point that creating a wiki or a space are different > actions compared from adding a new page and as thus should be treated > differently. > > Regarding your actual proposal, I`d be inclined to -1 it, as IMO it makes > > basic CRUD operations on the wiki model harder to perform (i.e. harder to > > find), and what we`d like to do is help people create content and > > structure, not the other way around. > > > > I agree with the logic but I'm not sure I'm 100% in line with the > conclusion. As you said, the goal is to help users create and structure > their content. > > Right now, when looking at existing installs, I often see cases where users > created several spaces with similar names (which doesn't really help > structure information). This is mainly because they didn't know that a > space with a similar name already existed. Similarly, you wouldn't want > someone to create a "Communication" wiki if the "MarketingCommunication" > wiki already exists. > > This is why I'm proposing to place "Create" buttons in context. I see at > least 3 places where this could be useful: > > - "Create wiki" button on http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/ > - "Create space" button on hypothetical > http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/Main/SpacesIndex > (similar to what we already have on the Dashboard) > - "Create user" button on http://<server> > /xwiki/bin/view/Main/UserDirectory > > So from my point of view, by putting those buttons on those pages they > would actually be easier to find and understand for end-users. > > Thanks, > > Guillaume > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > ---------- > > [1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/jqbcj4p4ryc56sms > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We improved the things a bit by implementing > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928 > > > Now users can more rapidly create pages by using the implicit value of > > > 'Add'. > > > > > > Having all the option (Create Wiki, Create Space, Create Page) in the > > menu > > > is important IMO since you can create spaces (and wikis) from anywhere > in > > > the wiki. You don't need to be in a certain location to do this action. > > > > > > I agree about having a Space Index of some sort and have a consistent > way > > > of localizing/navigating Wikis/Spaces/Pages. Something similar to this > > idea > > > was the Explorer proposal > > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ExplorerApp > > > > > > Another related issue to this subject is > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9440, but again I think XWIKI-10928 > > > <http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928> improved the problem. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Devs, > > > > > > > > I'm currently testing XE 6.2, it's a great release, I love the new > > look a > > > > lot - well done guys! > > > > > > > > I have a quick remark that is related to the new location of the > > "Create" > > > > button. I think we should move the "create wiki" and "create space" > > > options > > > > from where they are located now. > > > > > > > > The "Create wiki" button could be moved under the list of wikis on > this > > > > page: http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/ > > > > > > > > We would probably need a similar "space index" page with the "Create > > > space" > > > > button there, a bit like what we have on the dashboard now: http:// > > > > <server>/xwiki/bin/view/Dashboard/ > > > > > > > > The objective being that when doing those create actions, they would > be > > > > done with the context of the wikis / spaces that already exist. > > > > > > > > What is also a bit confusing for users is that since creating a new > > wiki > > > is > > > > much much bigger and less frequent than creating a new page, the > action > > > > should not be available from every single page. > > > > > > > > This issue has become much more salient than before to me because of > > the > > > > new location of the "Create" button. What's your opinion about this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
