On 1 Oct 2014 at 11:00:10, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> So basically, you want:
> http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg
Sounds very good to me:
- search is less visible on the right which is good
- Create button is made very visible which is very good
Thanks
-Vincent
> 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] :
>
> >
> >
> > On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected](mailto:
> > [email protected])) wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that
> > > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea
> > > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the
> > "Add"
> > > button in its place.
> > >
> > > Crude image explanation here:
> > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
> > >
> > > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that is
> > > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this,
> > > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too
> > much
> > > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and
> > "More
> > > actions" buttons separated from one another.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> >
> > Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create
> > button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).
> >
> > FYI here’s what they have for:
> > - confluence:
> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9
> > - jira:
> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Guillaume
> > > ᐧ
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Marius,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi again,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
> > > > > > > Delhumeau <
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy,
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <
> > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started
> > on
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > topic,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > >> in
> > > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start
> > being
> > > > > > confused
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is
> > > > problematic
> > > > > > IMO
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds
> > > > page-related
> > > > > > > > entries
> > > > > > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current
> > location
> > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> page
> > > > > > > > > > >> > content)
> > > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of
> > > > livetables.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we
> > > > > > instantiate
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page,
> > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager
> > > > then
> > > > > :)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable
> > > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with
> > support for
> > > > > > > custom
> > > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the
> > > > 'Actions'
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3
> > reasons
> > > > > why:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the
> > > > > Actions
> > > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had
> > bulk
> > > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection
> > > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row).
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column
> > > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and
> > also
> > > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be
> > used
> > > > in
> > > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be
> > performed
> > > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single
> > > > element action compared to 'delete'.
> > > >
> > > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more
> > of a
> > > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well
> > if you
> > > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column
> > > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox
> > column
> > > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Eduard
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Guillaume
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Caty
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the
> > > > > "actions"
> > > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries that
> > > > > already
> > > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator
> > > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on
> > pages
> > > > > such
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Caty
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new
> > item of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > type
> > > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we
> > do
> > > > this
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic
> > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module
> > (that we
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it
> > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new
> > > > > > location
> > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language
> > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > brains
> > > > > > > > > > >> are
> > > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow)
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates
> > (i.e.
> > > > > next
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen
> > > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my
> > mind)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the
> > Edit
> > > > > > > button,
> > > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it
> > groups
> > > > the
> > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > basic
> > > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to
> > > > contribute:
> > > > > > > EDIT,
> > > > > > > > > ADD.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's
> > quite an
> > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > > > > >> aspect
> > > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I
> > like
> > > > > > :)),
> > > > > > > > it`s
> > > > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > > >> > to miss.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others
> > see
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > problem
> > > > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well?
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard
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