On 1 Oct 2014 at 12:08:23, Denis Gervalle
([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Even better:
> > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg
>
>
> Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :)
>
> I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create”.
Yes I completely agree about that.
> Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called "Add" to
> add to the page:
> * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally)
> * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom)
> * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom),
> * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all existing
> objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage
> addition of new ones, AWSeconds)
>
> This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the
> comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom
> is removed. It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual
> create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow application
> to hook both of them depending on their needs.
Why not, but I’d like to separate the 2 issues so that we can move on quickly ;)
Thanks
-Vincent
> Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, annotation
> should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them (including
> the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a
> seperate checkbox.
>
> WDYT ?
>
>
> >
> > 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> > [email protected]>:
> >
> > > So basically, you want:
> > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg
> > >
> > > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] :
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected]
> > (mailto:
> > >> [email protected])) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion
> > that
> > >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The
> > idea
> > >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the
> > >> "Add"
> > >> > button in its place.
> > >> >
> > >> > Crude image explanation here:
> > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
> > >> >
> > >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that
> > >> is
> > >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to
> > this,
> > >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too
> > >> much
> > >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and
> > >> "More
> > >> > actions" buttons separated from one another.
> > >> >
> > >> > WDYT?
> > >>
> > >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create
> > >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).
> > >>
> > >> FYI here’s what they have for:
> > >> - confluence:
> > >>
> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9
> > >> - jira:
> > >>
> > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> -Vincent
> > >>
> > >> > Guillaume
> > >> > ᐧ
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Hi,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > >> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > >> > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Hi,
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > >> > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius,
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > >> > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume
> > >> "Louis-Marie"
> > >> > > > > > Delhumeau <
> > >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru <
> > >> > > > [email protected]
> > >> > > > > >:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion
> > started
> > >> on
> > >> > > this
> > >> > > > > > > topic,
> > >> > > > > > > > > but
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> in
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start
> > >> being
> > >> > > > > confused
> > >> > > > > > > and
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is
> > >> > > problematic
> > >> > > > > IMO
> > >> > > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds
> > >> > > page-related
> > >> > > > > > > entries
> > >> > > > > > > > > (i.e.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current
> > >> location
> > >> > > > > (i.e.
> > >> > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > the
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> page
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > content)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of
> > >> > > livetables.
> > >> > > > We
> > >> > > > > > > would
> > >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we
> > >> > > > > instantiate
> > >> > > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index
> > >> page, for
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > user
> > >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File
> > >> Manager
> > >> > > then
> > >> > > > :)
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable
> > >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with
> > >> support for
> > >> > > > > > custom
> > >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think?
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the
> > >> > > 'Actions'
> > >> > > > > > column
> > >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create'
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3
> > >> reasons
> > >> > > > why:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that
> > >> the
> > >> > > > Actions
> > >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't
> > had
> > >> bulk
> > >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity
> > >> selection
> > >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row).
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions"
> > >> column
> > >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and
> > >> also
> > >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be
> > >> used
> > >> > > in
> > >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be
> > >> performed
> > >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a
> > single
> > >> > > element action compared to 'delete'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is
> > more
> > >> of a
> > >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well
> > >> if you
> > >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions
> > >> column
> > >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox
> > >> column
> > >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks,
> > >> > > Eduard
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Guillaume
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > Caty
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the
> > >> > > > "actions"
> > >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries
> > >> that
> > >> > > > already
> > >> > > > > > exist
> > >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable
> > creator
> > >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on
> > >> pages
> > >> > > > such
> > >> > > > > as
> > >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager)
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Best,
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Guillaume
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > Caty
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new
> > >> item of
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > same
> > >> > > > > > > > > type
> > >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now
> > we
> > >> do
> > >> > > this
> > >> > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > an
> > >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic
> > >> > > > solution.
> > >> > > > > > It's
> > >> > > > > > > > > also
> > >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module
> > >> (that we
> > >> > > > > don't
> > >> > > > > > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it
> > >> > > > > > > > > > <
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >>
> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > ).
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the
> > >> new
> > >> > > > > location
> > >> > > > > > > > looks
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right
> > >> language
> > >> > > > > specific
> > >> > > > > > > > brains
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> are
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates
> > >> (i.e.
> > >> > > > next
> > >> > > > > > to
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the
> > screen
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my
> > >> mind)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near
> > >> the Edit
> > >> > > > > > button,
> > >> > > > > > > > > even
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it
> > >> groups
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > > > most
> > >> > > > > > > > > basic
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to
> > >> > > contribute:
> > >> > > > > > EDIT,
> > >> > > > > > > > ADD.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's
> > >> quite an
> > >> > > > > > > important
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which
> > >> I like
> > >> > > > > :)),
> > >> > > > > > > it`s
> > >> > > > > > > > > hard
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do
> > >> others see
> > >> > > a
> > >> > > > > > > problem
> > >> > > > > > > > > here
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well?
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> devs mailing list
> > >> [email protected]
> > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected])
> > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected])
> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
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