Even better: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg
2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]>: > So basically, you want: > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] <[email protected]>: > > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected](mailto: >> [email protected])) wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the >> "Add" >> > button in its place. >> > >> > Crude image explanation here: >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png >> > >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that >> is >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this, >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too >> much >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and >> "More >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. >> > >> > WDYT? >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: >> - confluence: >> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 >> - jira: >> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> > Guillaume >> > ᐧ >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: >> > >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> > > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> > > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> > > > > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume >> "Louis-Marie" >> > > > > > Delhumeau < >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > > >: >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started >> on >> > > this >> > > > > > > topic, >> > > > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > > > >> in >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start >> being >> > > > > confused >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is >> > > problematic >> > > > > IMO >> > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds >> > > page-related >> > > > > > > entries >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current >> location >> > > > > (i.e. >> > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> page >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of >> > > livetables. >> > > > We >> > > > > > > would >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we >> > > > > instantiate >> > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index >> page, for >> > > > the >> > > > > > user >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File >> Manager >> > > then >> > > > :) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with >> support for >> > > > > > custom >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the >> > > 'Actions' >> > > > > > column >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 >> reasons >> > > > why: >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that >> the >> > > > Actions >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had >> bulk >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity >> selection >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" >> column >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and >> also >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be >> used >> > > in >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) >> > > > >> > > >> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be >> performed >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. >> > > >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more >> of a >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well >> if you >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. >> > > >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions >> column >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox >> column >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Eduard >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Guillaume >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > Caty >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the >> > > > "actions" >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries >> that >> > > > already >> > > > > > exist >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on >> pages >> > > > such >> > > > > as >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Best, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Guillaume >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > > > Caty >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Guillaume >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new >> item of >> > > > the >> > > > > > same >> > > > > > > > > type >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we >> do >> > > this >> > > > > in >> > > > > > an >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic >> > > > solution. >> > > > > > It's >> > > > > > > > > also >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module >> (that we >> > > > > don't >> > > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it >> > > > > > > > > > < >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ). >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the >> new >> > > > > location >> > > > > > > > looks >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right >> language >> > > > > specific >> > > > > > > > brains >> > > > > > > > > >> are >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates >> (i.e. >> > > > next >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my >> mind) >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near >> the Edit >> > > > > > button, >> > > > > > > > > even >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it >> groups >> > > the >> > > > > > most >> > > > > > > > > basic >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to >> > > contribute: >> > > > > > EDIT, >> > > > > > > > ADD. >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's >> quite an >> > > > > > > important >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which >> I like >> > > > > :)), >> > > > > > > it`s >> > > > > > > > > hard >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do >> others see >> > > a >> > > > > > > problem >> > > > > > > > > here >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > Committer on the XWiki.org project > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
