On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Even better: >> http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called "Add" to > add to the page: > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally) > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom) > * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom), > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all existing > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage > addition of new ones, AWSeconds) >
> This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom > is removed. Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine. Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good idea IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or maybe I misunderstood. > It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual > create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow application > to hook both of them depending on their needs. > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, annotation > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them (including > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a > seperate checkbox. > > WDYT ? > > >> >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < >> [email protected]>: >> >> > So basically, you want: >> > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg >> > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] <[email protected]>: >> > >> > >> >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected] >> (mailto: >> >> [email protected])) wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion >> that >> >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The >> idea >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the >> >> "Add" >> >> > button in its place. >> >> > >> >> > Crude image explanation here: >> >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png >> >> > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that >> >> is >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to >> this, >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too >> >> much >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and >> >> "More >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. >> >> > >> >> > WDYT? >> >> >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). >> >> >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: >> >> - confluence: >> >> >> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 >> >> - jira: >> >> >> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Vincent >> >> >> >> > Guillaume >> >> > ᐧ >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> >> > > > > [email protected]> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi, >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < >> >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> >> > > > > [email protected]> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < >> >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < >> >> > > > > > > [email protected]> >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume >> >> "Louis-Marie" >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau < >> >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < >> >> > > > [email protected] >> >> > > > > >: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion >> started >> >> on >> >> > > this >> >> > > > > > > topic, >> >> > > > > > > > > but >> >> > > > > > > > > >> in >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start >> >> being >> >> > > > > confused >> >> > > > > > > and >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is >> >> > > problematic >> >> > > > > IMO >> >> > > > > > > for >> >> > > > > > > > a >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds >> >> > > page-related >> >> > > > > > > entries >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current >> >> location >> >> > > > > (i.e. >> >> > > > > > in >> >> > > > > > > > the >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of >> >> > > livetables. >> >> > > > We >> >> > > > > > > would >> >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we >> >> > > > > instantiate >> >> > > > > > a >> >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index >> >> page, for >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > > > user >> >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File >> >> Manager >> >> > > then >> >> > > > :) >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with >> >> support for >> >> > > > > > custom >> >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the >> >> > > 'Actions' >> >> > > > > > column >> >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 >> >> reasons >> >> > > > why: >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that >> >> the >> >> > > > Actions >> >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't >> had >> >> bulk >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity >> >> selection >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" >> >> column >> >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and >> >> also >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be >> >> used >> >> > > in >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be >> >> performed >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a >> single >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. >> >> > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is >> more >> >> of a >> >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well >> >> if you >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. >> >> > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions >> >> column >> >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox >> >> column >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks, >> >> > > Eduard >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks, >> >> > > > > Caty >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the >> >> > > > "actions" >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries >> >> that >> >> > > > already >> >> > > > > > exist >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable >> creator >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on >> >> pages >> >> > > > such >> >> > > > > as >> >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Best, >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > Caty >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new >> >> item of >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > > > same >> >> > > > > > > > > type >> >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now >> we >> >> do >> >> > > this >> >> > > > > in >> >> > > > > > an >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic >> >> > > > solution. >> >> > > > > > It's >> >> > > > > > > > > also >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module >> >> (that we >> >> > > > > don't >> >> > > > > > > > have >> >> > > > > > > > > in >> >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it >> >> > > > > > > > > > < >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ). >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the >> >> new >> >> > > > > location >> >> > > > > > > > looks >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right >> >> language >> >> > > > > specific >> >> > > > > > > > brains >> >> > > > > > > > > >> are >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates >> >> (i.e. >> >> > > > next >> >> > > > > > to >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the >> screen >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my >> >> mind) >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near >> >> the Edit >> >> > > > > > button, >> >> > > > > > > > > even >> >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it >> >> groups >> >> > > the >> >> > > > > > most >> >> > > > > > > > > basic >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to >> >> > > contribute: >> >> > > > > > EDIT, >> >> > > > > > > > ADD. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's >> >> quite an >> >> > > > > > > important >> >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which >> >> I like >> >> > > > > :)), >> >> > > > > > > it`s >> >> > > > > > > > > hard >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do >> >> others see >> >> > > a >> >> > > > > > > problem >> >> > > > > > > > > here >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> devs mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> Committer on the XWiki.org project >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Denis Gervalle > SOFTEC sa - CEO > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
