On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected] > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I kind of like this proposal. As Jeremie pointed out, we`re more or > > > less > > > > > back where we started from, with the "improvement" that the "Add" > > > button > > > > is > > > > > now in the middle of the page, hard to miss :) > > > > > > > > > > Now, if we also rename "Add" to "Create", the only downside is that > > > > awkward > > > > > feeling of more or less cloning Atlassian's UI. However, it's > never a > > > > > question of UI ownership or copying, but just of what works best in > > > > > practice and what makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Denis asked some days ago why some things changed from the original > > > > Flamingo proposal "which we all agreed on". Apparently this is the > > reason > > > > some of the things changed: listening to different opinions. > > > > > > > > One of the reasons I'm a bit upset with these discussions is that > when > > we > > > > proposed Flamingo, a prototype was also available, so all these > > > 'concerns' > > > > should have been noticed earlier, not in 6.2.1. These kind of > > discussions > > > > should happen in the Proposal phase, not in the Testing phase. > > > > > > > > > > I completely agree with you on that point. And this is true for UI, as > > well > > > as anything else on this project. We always need it realized to > received > > > criticisms. This probably a consequence of the fact that we are all > very > > > busy. That said, I do not remember seing a proposal that look like the > > > current result. And your initial proposal does not exhibit the issue we > > are > > > actually discussing, which have been mainly started because of the add > > wiki > > > option. > > > > > > > > It was always in the initial proposal > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x > > and more explicitly in the Menus section > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4xMenus > > > Cathy, you have not read me carefully, where do you see an option to add a > wiki in those proposals ? > The current thread/discussion is about the new location of the "Add" menu, not about the "Add Wiki" option (please use the other thread for that). It was not started because of the "Add Wiki" option disagreement (that was just an example/excuse), but because this particular choice of location was never discussed/argued to begin with, even if the proposal received a positive feedback as a whole. IMO, that just proves that we did not analyse the proposal well enough, and maybe that some of us just preferred to assume stuff instead of asking/discussing. I think we should focus more on making it right instead of finding blame... Thanks, Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also all the changes proposed in Flamingo, where discussed before. We > > > used > > > > 'Add' naming because 'Create' was less used 'in the wild', was > shorter, > > > > etc. We moved the Add (from the Colibri position) because some users > > find > > > > it difficult to locate, wanted to improve the actions grouping, etc. > > > > > > > > > > I agree, what I am proposing actually only came from the current > > discussion > > > and the evolution of it. It is not always easy to imagine good UI > without > > > tasting it for real. I think we should not care too much, and we should > > > look forward to finally getting the best UI ever, even if the process > is > > > not academic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > I liked the Colibri's 'Add' position and I just want us to make this > > > change > > > > because we think that is the best place for it, not because we are > > > > influenced and think another product might have the magic solution to > > our > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > If you consider that after a 'period of testing' that location is not > > the > > > > best place for the 'Add' button to be, than I agree we can 'revert' > the > > > > change. IMO the menus are still not optimal, but I guess only testing > > > could > > > > give us an impartial answer. I would have liked a bit more time to > test > > > > this solution with 'normal' users, and I hope we don't do this change > > > > because regular/advanced users had a hard time to adapt to it. I will > > > > repeat myself, I think skins are allowed to have differences (but > maybe > > > > testing different solutions would be more acceptable if we had more > > skins > > > > or changed them more often). > > > > > > > > > > I do not think we are complaining because we are advance, only because > it > > > mixup "out of context" and "in context" actions. Which is for the end > > user, > > > surely a source of confusion. > > > > > > Cathy, do not feel too upset of all these changes, you have made a > great > > > job preparing this new skin, it just need polishing as any of what we > > do. I > > > know it is frustrating that preview are not look at carefully enough, > but > > > that's life :) > > > > > > > > :) > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the addition of yet another "Add" button for page-related > > > > > entries, as suggested by Denis, I`m not sure it's such a good > idea. I > > > > never > > > > > did like modals that much in web interfaces and, AFAIK, they are > not > > > > > recommended that much in HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) classes > > > either, > > > > > for the simple reason that they are too volatile and are not > friendly > > > > with > > > > > the browser's "Back" button. I think we already have enough > shortcuts > > > in > > > > > the 'More Actions' section and the 'Edit' dropdown. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > Delhumeau > > > < > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Even better: > > > > > > >> > > > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page > called > > > > "Add" > > > > > > to > > > > > > > add to the page: > > > > > > > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button > > > > > normally) > > > > > > > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the > bottom) > > > > > > > * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the > > > > bottom), > > > > > > > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load > all > > > > > > existing > > > > > > > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having > to > > > > manage > > > > > > > addition of new ones, AWSeconds) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of > the > > > > > > > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to > > the > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > is removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine. > > > > > > Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good > idea > > > > > > IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the > > > > > > content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or maybe I > > > > > > misunderstood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual > > > > > > > create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow > > > > > > application > > > > > > > to hook both of them depending on their needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, > > > > > > annotation > > > > > > > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them > > > > > > (including > > > > > > > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to > > click a > > > > > > > seperate checkbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > > > > > >> [email protected]>: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > So basically, you want: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] < > > > [email protected] > > > > >: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ( > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >> (mailto: > > > > > > >> >> [email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Hi, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a > > > > > suggestion > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > >> >> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add > > > button. > > > > > The > > > > > > >> idea > > > > > > >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, > > and > > > > put > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> "Add" > > > > > > >> >> > button in its place. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > Crude image explanation here: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not > in > > a > > > > menu > > > > > > that > > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > > >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In > > > addition > > > > to > > > > > > >> this, > > > > > > >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, > > it's > > > > not > > > > > > too > > > > > > >> >> much > > > > > > >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having > the > > > > "Edit" > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> >> "More > > > > > > >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > WDYT? > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of > > the > > > > > Create > > > > > > >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to > > me). > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> FYI here’s what they have for: > > > > > > >> >> - confluence: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/cff5f5253f8324d9dc760cb9380c61d9 > > > > > > >> >> - jira: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/1f60d551a55a709cfc4aaca73dce9004 > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> Thanks > > > > > > >> >> -Vincent > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> > ᐧ > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Hi, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru > > > (Valica) > > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru > > > > > (Valica) > > > > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume > > Lerouge > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius > Dumitru > > > > > Florea > > > > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume > > > > Lerouge > > > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard > Moraru < > > > > > > >> >> > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a > > > discussion > > > > > > >> started > > > > > > >> >> on > > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > topic, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see > > > people > > > > > > start > > > > > > >> >> being > > > > > > >> >> > > > > confused > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be > > asked. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in > > > Flamingo > > > > > is > > > > > > >> >> > > problematic > > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > for > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > a > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that > > it > > > > adds > > > > > > >> >> > > page-related > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > entries > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to > its > > > > > current > > > > > > >> >> location > > > > > > >> >> > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > in > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new > > Entry" > > > > > button > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true > for a > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > >> >> > > livetables. > > > > > > >> >> > > > We > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > would > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be > > > available > > > > > > when we > > > > > > >> >> > > > > instantiate > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > a > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the > > wiki > > > > > index > > > > > > >> >> page, for > > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > user > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from > > the > > > > File > > > > > > >> >> Manager > > > > > > >> >> > > then > > > > > > >> >> > > > :) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Application#HFileLiveTable > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a > toolbar > > > > (with > > > > > > >> >> support for > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > custom > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you > > think? > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already > > covered > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > 'Actions' > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the > > > > > 'Create' > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > >> >> reasons > > > > > > >> >> > > > why: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only > > difference > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > > >> >> > > > Actions > > > > > > >> >> > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because > > we > > > > > didn't > > > > > > >> had > > > > > > >> >> bulk > > > > > > >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple > > > entity > > > > > > >> >> selection > > > > > > >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on > > > each > > > > > > row). > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the > > > > > "Actions" > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > >> >> > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with > checkboxes > > > in > > > > > it, > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> >> also > > > > > > >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be > > > > expanded > > > > > > to be > > > > > > >> >> used > > > > > > >> >> > > in > > > > > > >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not all > > operations/actions > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > >> >> performed > > > > > > >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that > > it > > > > is a > > > > > > >> single > > > > > > >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action > > since > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > >> more > > > > > > >> >> of a > > > > > > >> >> > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk > > > action > > > > as > > > > > > well > > > > > > >> >> if you > > > > > > >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and > the > > > > > actions > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > >> >> > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having > a > > > > > checkbox > > > > > > >> >> column > > > > > > >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the > right > > > way > > > > > to > > > > > > go. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Thanks, > > > > > > >> >> > > Eduard > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Caty > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new > entry, > > > > > whereas > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > > "actions" > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are related to > > individual > > > > > > entries > > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > > >> >> > > > already > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > exist > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the > > > livetable > > > > > > >> creator > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle > bulk > > > > > actions > > > > > > on > > > > > > >> >> pages > > > > > > >> >> > > > such > > > > > > >> >> > > > > as > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file > manager) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Best, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user > > > create > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > >> >> item of > > > > > > >> >> > > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > same > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the > livetable. > > > > Right > > > > > > now > > > > > > >> we > > > > > > >> >> do > > > > > > >> >> > > this > > > > > > >> >> > > > > in > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > an > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to > > have > > > a > > > > > > generic > > > > > > >> >> > > > solution. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > It's > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name > > generation > > > > > > module > > > > > > >> >> (that we > > > > > > >> >> > > > > don't > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > have > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an > extensions > > > > doing > > > > > it > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+Number+Module > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page > from > > a > > > > far, > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> >> new > > > > > > >> >> > > > > location > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as > > > > left-to-right > > > > > > >> >> language > > > > > > >> >> > > > > specific > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > brains > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of > elements > > > it > > > > > > creates > > > > > > >> >> (i.e. > > > > > > >> >> > > > next > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the > middle > > of > > > > the > > > > > > >> screen > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come > > right > > > > now > > > > > > to my > > > > > > >> >> mind) > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is > > > located > > > > > > near > > > > > > >> >> the Edit > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > button, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. > > > > Because > > > > > > it > > > > > > >> >> groups > > > > > > >> >> > > the > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > most > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when > you > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > >> >> > > contribute: > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > EDIT, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, > > > since > > > > > > it's > > > > > > >> >> quite an > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > important > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green > > > color > > > > > > (which > > > > > > >> >> I like > > > > > > >> >> > > > > :)), > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > it`s > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to > change, > > > or > > > > do > > > > > > >> >> others see > > > > > > >> >> > > a > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > problem > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard > > > > > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> >> devs mailing list > > > > > > >> >> [email protected] > > > > > > >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > >> > Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > > >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) > > > > > > >> Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS > > > > > > >> Committer on the XWiki.org project > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> devs mailing list > > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Denis Gervalle > > > > > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > devs mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > devs mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Denis Gervalle > > > SOFTEC sa - CEO > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > > > -- > Denis Gervalle > SOFTEC sa - CEO > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
