On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > actually one thing we could try is this: > > - *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related > actions:* > - "Add child page" > - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis) > - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis) > > > - *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:* > - "Create page" (TBD) > - "Create space" > - "Create wiki" > - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented with > a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available > templates > > I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions in > the same location as a more-frequent one, not being in the right place on > the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy to find > where it is right now, why move it?). > > WDYT? > Big +1 for me. I am convince we need "in context" and "out of context" operation to be separated. > > Guillaume > ᐧ > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru ([email protected](mailto: > > [email protected])) wrote: > > > > > On that note: > > > The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this > discussion > > on > > > the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first > > > time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one > of > > > those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily > do > > > the next 1000x times (like riding a bike). > > > > > > The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and > you > > > find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with > the > > > saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) > > once > > > you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the > > page > > > it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related > > actions, > > > that it becomes cumbersome to use. > > > > Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page > > and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the > > user to: > > - add a page > > - delete a page > > - move a page > > - create a space > > - etc > > > > And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eduard > > > > > > ---------- > > > [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/ > > > [2] > > https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( > > > > [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :) > > > > > > > > > > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page, so > > in > > > > the > > > > > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the > > impression of > > > > > not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by > > > > > herself). > > > > > > > > > > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the > > > > actions > > > > > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be > > put > > > > in > > > > > an other location. She did not like this logic :) > > > > > > > > So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move > all > > > > actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. > > Because if > > > > she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to > > find > > > > all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly > > > > **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page… > > > > > > > > Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if > > she > > > > fails to create a page there too. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the > > current > > > > > location too, except that we should propose "create page" before > > "create > > > > > wiki". > > > > > > > > > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with > the 2 > > > > > proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that > look > > > > > simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Guillaume Delhumeau > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
