On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:34 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 18 Sep 2015 at 11:27:33, Marius Dumitru Florea > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 3:10 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 17 Sep 2015 at 13:32:28, Eduard Moraru >> > ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote: >> > >> >> With the introduction of Nested Spaces / Nested Documents, we find >> >> ourselves having to expand our terminology to accommodate the tree-like >> >> structure of spaces/documents that we are managing. >> >> >> >> IMO, we have started going in the wrong direction with using standard tree >> >> terminology directly in XWiki's UI, introducing new terms that simple >> >> users >> >> could be easily confused by or overwhelmed (this adding to the already >> >> existing ones). >> >> >> >> The specific issue I have in mind is how do we refer child entities for >> >> each concept (wiki, space, page) and how does this scale when the >> >> hierarchy >> >> increases. >> >> >> >> What I propose is that we Keep It SSimple (*™*) :) and just use the "sub" >> >> prefix for the concept at hand. >> >> >> >> Examples: >> >> * wiki -> subwiki (here we can continue using "wiki", as discussed >> >> previously [1], since we don`t actually support nested wikis yet, but if >> >> "subwiki" is used in a conversation it still makes perfect sense) >> >> * space -> subspace [2] >> >> * page -> subpage [3] >> >> >> >> The problem with the term "child", as pointed out by Marius in an offline >> >> chat, has indeed the issue that it can only be applied correctly for first >> >> level descendants, after which it becomes inaccurate, since starting with >> >> the second level the term "descendant" is more appropriate. >> > >> >> > I’m not sure about this. I think Children could be used generically to >> > mean any level of Children but would need to be checked. >> >> If you have A.B.C: >> >> * the "Children" viewer (live table) will show "B, C" for A > > I think right now it also shows A but this could be fixed. > >> * the "Siblings" viewer (live table) will show only "B" (or nothing?) for B >
> There’s no sibling for C in your definition. Yes, I know what siblings are :) but I said "for B" not "for C". > > If you had: > A.B.C > A.B.D > A.E > > Then the sibling for A.B.C would be A.B.D. Thus if you’re on A.B.C and ask > for Sibling you’ll see D in the LT. > > If you’re on A.B and ask for siblings you’ll see only E (and not E, C, D > since C and D are not siblings of A.B). So you don't think that the statement "E and C are both children of A but they are not siblings because they don't have he same parent" is confusing? > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> So B and C are both children of A but are not siblings. That can be >> confusing. You need the tree view to see the actual hierarchy. >> >> Thanks, >> Marius >> >> >> >> >> All of this becomes unnecessarily complicated and, IMO, we should avoid >> >> dealing with it by using the "sub" prefix which is much easier to grasp >> >> and >> >> accept. >> >> >> >> On a similar note, I also find the term "nested" to be a bit unnecessarily >> >> complicated, specially for non-technical and non-english native users. >> >> >> >> WDYT? >> > >> > I don’t like the “Sub" terminology because it’s incomplete. It’s not >> > complete because you still need words for Parents, Siblings, Root, etc. >> > >> > I'd much prefer to use a standard Tree terminology: >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_(data_structure)#Terminologies_used_in_Trees >> > >> > BTW Terminal Page could be replaced by Leaf Page if we wanted too but >> > maybe that’s too technical? >> > >> > I’d be ok to replace subwiki by Child Wiki/Children Wikis to be consistent. >> > >> > So overall I find Child/Children, Parent, and Siblings very easy to >> > understand by any simple user. I find that using Sub, Parent, Siblings is >> > not better (and it would certainly not replace Sibling). >> > >> > WDYT? >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Vincent >> > >> >> Thanks, >> >> Eduard >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> [1] http://markmail.org/message/cehvpds5qmljq5f7 >> >> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace >> >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpage >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
