On 7 Mar 2016 at 21:03:07, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]) wrote:
Hi,
Iterations 2:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/XWikiOrgTry/hostedContent2.png
Let me know what you think.
I like it! :)
Only comment is that the cloud products from companies are quite small and it’s
not obvious from the colors that they can be clicked.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: You’ve been able to include the committers count in the end ;)
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Ok I’ve had a discussion with Caty and the outcome:
> - keep 2 buttons
> - Name them “Hosted XWiki” and “Download XWiki”
> - Some minor tweaks to the “Hosted XWiki” page
>
> Actions:
> - Caty will update the proposal soon.
> - We’ll try to upgrade xwiki.org to XWiki 7.4.2 tomorrow. With Nested
> Spaces we don’t know how long it’ll take. Hopefully one day should more
> than enough for an acceptable upgrade (with more work to be done on an
> ongoing basis to move stuff around)
> - Caty will then implement the proposal on the new xwiki.org during the
> rest of this week
>
> Please let us know quickly if you don’t agree with something.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> On 7 Mar 2016 at 17:06:12, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected])
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:48 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Caty,
> >
> >
> > On 4 Mar 2016 at 21:25:43, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]
> > (mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> >
> > > This proposal follows the [VOTE] New governance rule for xwiki.org:
> > hosted
> > > XWiki options
> > > http://markmail.org/thread/ktf5dvlmsnwc7lho
> > >
> > > The proposal is here:
> > > http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOrgTry
> > >
> > > Changes:
> > > - Change the current position for the 'Download' button and place it in
> > the
> > > header, for more easy access
> > > - Besides the 'Download XWiki' button add a new 'Try XWiki' button
> > > - Create a 'Try' page that shows how XWiki can be used in the Cloud or
> > as a
> > > hosted solution
> > > - List professional Cloud offers along with playground.xwiki.org and
> > > myxwiki.xwiki.org
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Thanks for the proposal!
> >
> > Some comments:
> >
> > * Nice overall! :)
> >
> > * I don’t like too much having 2 buttons: Try + Download. I would prefer
> > having a single one that would lead to a page offering 2 options: Using
> > XWiki Hosted or Downloading and install XWiki.
>
>
> What would be the label for this button (that would summarize well both
> cases and that uses a well-known verb)?
>
>
> > 2 reasons for this:
> > ** it’s completely not obvious which one to use without explanations. If
> I
> > want to try xwiki by downloading it locally, which button do I click?
> > ** we currently link to the download page in lots of places. This means
> > that everywhere we’ll need to have 2 buttons. That’s a pain
> >
>
> Currently the download is part of the Panels.Download panel. We could
> extend it and list the 2 buttons, but this is not what the proposal
> suggests. In the proposal the buttons are part of the global.vm, so they
> are applied to the custom skin we have on xwiki.org. So this means we
> would
> change only the skin and not have to modify multiple places.
>
>
> > * I don’t like the word “Try” used with the 2 buttons because it implies
> > it’s a test. Some users may want to test xwiki but they can do so by
> > downloading the standalone packaging for example. However if I don’t want
> > to try XWiki but use it (using a hosted solution), which button do I use?
> >
>
> 'Try' is verb commonly used across Web. Maybe you can suggest an
> alternative. Alternatives might be: Evaluate, Play, Demo, Test, other?
>
>
>
> >
> > ==> I’d prefer having a single button. Now the complexity would be in
> > choosing the name for that button. I have proposed “Use XWiki” in the
> past,
> > which then would offer the 2 options: Have an XWiki hosted for you to
> use,
> > Download and install XWiki to use. Even though I don’t like “Try XWiki”
> too
> > much, at least having a single button is more correct since you’d be
> > presented with the various options to “try" XWiki.
> >
>
> Ok, so your proposal is to have 'Use'. I don't quite like it and I prefer
> Try (but maybe it's not as complete as you want). For me 'use' means maybe
> a link to the documentation about User guide or something.
>
>
> >
> > * XWiki SAS is offering several options: cloud with XCS but also hosted.
> >
>
> What does this mean? Do we need to add more text in order to describe this?
>
>
> >
> > * I’d put the number of active committers next to each company name, as
> we
> > do on the download feedback page.
> >
>
> I though about that, but I could find the relevance (except if you know
> that the number is used in order to achieve the sorting). IMO the
> committers count should be listed when we present the motivation to list
> companies. But in the Try page, for an end user doesn't have any sense to
> know that info, since it's not related about trying XWiki.
>
>
> >
> > * Small detail: the term XWiki shouldn’t be used by other companies as is
> > since it conflicts with the XWiki distribution but I guess you put that
> > just as an example. However other companies may not have a product. They
> > could simply be offering hosted services for XWiki. We’ll see when the
> time
> > comes.
> >
>
> I don't know what to put there. It would be nice if the committers
> representing those companies would give their input if they want to list
> somewhere there.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> >
> > * For myxwiki.org, we probably need to mention that it’s a real life
> test
> > instance for the xwiki devs and comes with no warranty of uptime and no
> > support.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Vincent
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
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