A small glimpse at the (open) future of publishing: http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol10/print/Kleinfeld01/BalisageVol10-Kleinfeld01.html
On 11 April 2016 at 12:11, Jason Pickering <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps this is possible, but not all of us have access to the UiO license, > and the license conditions may prevent onward distribution of this to > community members outside of UiO. Not sure. Anyway, it may be best to engage > with oXygen and see what the terms and conditions are, assuming this is the > direction we want to go. > > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Morten Olav Hansen <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> We already have university licenses for oXygen XML, maybe that also >> entitles us to a license for the web version? (if you want to use that >> instead) >> >> -- >> Morten Olav Hansen >> Senior Engineer, DHIS 2 >> University of Oslo >> http://www.dhis2.org >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Jason Pickering >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Knut, >>> >>> If it would get you writing some docs, it would be well worth it. :) >>> >>> Seriously though, these are floating licenses, so they would be good for >>> more than 5 people. We have two dedicated technical writers now, but up >>> until now, there have been few people actually writing the docs. So, these >>> five licenses would go a long way. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> 200$/month for 5 people, that is. >>>> >>>> Not saying that price may not be worth paying if it helps productivity. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Did you not have to sign up for the free trial license? >>>>> Our free trial includes all of the features of Oxygen XML Web Author >>>>> for a maximum of 30 days >>>>> >>>>> Seems to be 200 USD per month? >>>>> >>>>> oXygen XML Web Author uses a subscription floating license model with a >>>>> minimum commitment period of 12 months. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Jason Pickering >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I found what looks like a too-good-to-be-true WebApp version of Oxygen >>>>>> from the Google Play Store, which offers integration with GitHub. It >>>>>> seems >>>>>> to work. Might offer a new editor to replace my beloved deprecated Serna. >>>>>> You can try it out by adding oXygen XML WebApp extension to Chrome. >>>>>> Seems pretty sweet, but not sure if this is just a demo or something >>>>>> which >>>>>> is actually fully functional and free? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Bob Jolliffe <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://docbkx-tools.sourceforge.net/docbkx-samples/manual.html seems >>>>>>> to suggest 5.0 is now supported. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the features i have seen touted in 5.1 which is also part of >>>>>>> DITA (and no doubt Flare) is support for "topics". I guess the idea >>>>>>> here, to use the elearning jargon, is to be able to make reusabale >>>>>>> learning objects which can be differently combined in scorm modules >>>>>>> and the like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do agree that at the moment the priority really should be more and >>>>>>> improved content. While we have that content in docbook xxx xml we >>>>>>> know that it is not going to be lost and can be shimmied into >>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>> the toolchain of the future might be. In fact i am regretting >>>>>>> getting >>>>>>> involved in this thread at all, but I am glad you got rid of the >>>>>>> Serna >>>>>>> free comments :-) Back to work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 April 2016 at 04:13, Jason Pickering >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > Hi Bob, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Again, I think the fact that docbook has moved on is to us, not so >>>>>>> > important. We are using a very small subset of what docbook offers, >>>>>>> > and >>>>>>> > there are no real differences between 4.4 and 5.0 for our purposes, >>>>>>> > at least >>>>>>> > which I have seen. One issue which we should investigate more is >>>>>>> > the >>>>>>> > supposed improved indexing in 5.0, which I have not been able to >>>>>>> > get to >>>>>>> > work. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > The major issue with upgrading the dependency from 4.4 to 4.5 of >>>>>>> > docbook >>>>>>> > seems to be the lack of a publicly available maven artifact for >>>>>>> > either 4.4 >>>>>>> > or 5.0. We could of course build it ourselves, or try and find >>>>>>> > somewhere >>>>>>> > where its actually available, but since I managed to get this >>>>>>> > combination >>>>>>> > working, I never really investigated it further. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > So again to emphasize, the reason we are using 4.4 is because of >>>>>>> > the tool >>>>>>> > chain (docbkx) and getting that to work with either Docbook 4.5 or >>>>>>> > 5.0. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Regards, >>>>>>> > Jason >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Bob Jolliffe >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Jason I saw your sed script to remove comments. That is that >>>>>>> >> problem >>>>>>> >> solved :-) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I don't have any problem with the docbook toolchain and wouldn't >>>>>>> >> lightly consider changing it. I think it works well. There is >>>>>>> >> some >>>>>>> >> learning involved and a shortage of non-technical tooling but yet >>>>>>> >> it >>>>>>> >> works well. I would consider upgrading to 5.0 (or 5.1) as that >>>>>>> >> might >>>>>>> >> widen the scope of tooling available and would be relatively >>>>>>> >> painless. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> But I agree that we need to focus on the concrete requirements >>>>>>> >> rather >>>>>>> >> than products. And most of all, the content. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On 7 April 2016 at 14:40, Jason Pickering >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >> > Perhaps, but see my earlier mail regarding framework wars. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > This is the same discussion we are having about testing, use >>>>>>> >> > this >>>>>>> >> > framework >>>>>>> >> > or that framework. However, there are still too few tests, as no >>>>>>> >> > one can >>>>>>> >> > agree. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > We have something which works. We have content which needs to be >>>>>>> >> > improved >>>>>>> >> > and updated. If there is a compelling reason to move away from >>>>>>> >> > something >>>>>>> >> > which, albeit somewhat dated ...works, maybe it would be good to >>>>>>> >> > outline >>>>>>> >> > the >>>>>>> >> > reasons for this change. >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Knut Staring <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> I see that Flare supports DITA, would that be a good >>>>>>> >> >> alternative to >>>>>>> >> >> DocBook? >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> http://dita.xml.org/ >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Bob Jolliffe >>>>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> On a spectrum between low-level standardized technical docbook >>>>>>> >> >>> through >>>>>>> >> >>> to "user friendly" (use Word), vendor-locked proprietary and >>>>>>> >> >>> patent >>>>>>> >> >>> encumbered technology, this one seems to fall on the far right >>>>>>> >> >>> :-) >>>>>>> >> >>> Not quite what I had in mind. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> I can see the attraction but I would be very wary to go in >>>>>>> >> >>> this >>>>>>> >> >>> direction. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> On 7 April 2016 at 13:52, Rachael Brooke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> > Hi everyone, >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > Cecilia and I have been thinking about trying out a new tool >>>>>>> >> >>> > that >>>>>>> >> >>> > could >>>>>>> >> >>> > handle big documentation projects, translation files and >>>>>>> >> >>> > other >>>>>>> >> >>> > resources. So >>>>>>> >> >>> > it's good timing that this issue is being raised by you. >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > We were considering looking into a solution which you may >>>>>>> >> >>> > know, >>>>>>> >> >>> > called >>>>>>> >> >>> > MadCap Flare: http://www.madcapsoftware.com/products/flare/. >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > If you have any other suggestions, we'd be happy to hear >>>>>>> >> >>> > your >>>>>>> >> >>> > thoughts. >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > Thanks for bringing this up - we're investigating! >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > Rachael >>>>>>> >> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Knut Staring >>>>>>> >> >>> > <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >> Would be good to hear from our new documentation experts >>>>>>> >> >>> >> (Rachael >>>>>>> >> >>> >> and >>>>>>> >> >>> >> Cecilia) on this issue (what kinds of tools they would be >>>>>>> >> >>> >> comfortable >>>>>>> >> >>> >> with >>>>>>> >> >>> >> etc). >>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >> Knut >>>>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Bob Jolliffe >>>>>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Hi Jason, Lars >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I am not sure the link about oxygen nested comments is >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> really >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> addressing the "thing". >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I agree with Lars that having the "<!-- Created by Serna >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Free -->" >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> text inserted into all our documents is ugly, wrong and >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> misleading. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> If you are using Serna Free I think it might be a simple >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> courtesy >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> just strip those comments before committing. Of course >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> its >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> possible >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to forget and maybe some sort of removal hook could be >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> configured >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> automatically (sed, xsltproc ..) but its maybe not so hard >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to just >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> delete the line. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I am not sure of what the problem is with oxygen >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> encountering >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> these >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments are though. Maybe I also don't get the "thing" >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> :-) I >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> open >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the docbook files with oxygen and don't encounter a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> problem >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> related >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the comment. The docbook4 "type" seems to be immediately >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> recognized >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and I get a Docbook4 menu appear when I switch to author >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> mode >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> whether >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the comment is there or not. Is it an oxygen version >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> issue (I >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> currently use 17.1) or is there some other issue I am >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> missing? >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Though I think there are deeper issues at play. First is >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> that >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Serna >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Free seems no longer to be maintained (as a free version). >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> One >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> consequence of this being that using it keeps us frozen in >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> time at >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook 4.4. The last release of the docbook 4.x series >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> was 4.5 >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> back >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> in 2006. The 5.0 (and now 5.1) series has been out for >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> quite a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> long >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> time now (2009?). AFAIK the only reason for sticking with >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> 4.x has >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> been the availability of Serna Free. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (Which is not a small thing. The sad truth is that >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> another good >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> free >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> candidate for docbook editing by non-technical authors >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> hasn't ever >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> emerged. Of course if you are more than a bit geeky then >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> emacs >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> does >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> good job. But even I don't use emacs anymore for editing >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documents. I use oxygen, which is not free.) >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Two thoughts come to mind: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (i) it probably really makes sense to rejoin the (docbook) >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> world >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> move from 4.4 to 5.0. Particularly if the now defunct >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Serna Free >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> is >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the only factor holding us back. I understand that there >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> are >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> transforms available to make this a painless journey. The >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> best >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> available in terms of free editing tools with a strong >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> focus >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> seems to be the eclipse DEP4E plugin. Otherwise there are >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> non-free tools as well as host of xml schema aware >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> editors. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Admittedly none of these really qualify as eminently >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> suitable for >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> non-technical authors so the problem isn't really >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> completely >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> solved, >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> but maybe improved slightly. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (ii) more radically, it might be time to consider moving >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> from >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> altogether. There are a host of "cool" alternatives >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (markdown and >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> friends) none of which I am fond of, but they have >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> enthusiastic >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> supporters. To me they all seem like endless reinventions >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> of >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> roff/nroff/groff and certainly lack the maturity of >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook. But >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> maybe the world has moved to a stage that its possible to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> consider >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> editing html5/css3 documents directly? Certainly there is >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> considerable user friendly editing tools available. And >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> conversion >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> pdf seems not to be a problem. Though whether this would >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> cause >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> clean structure of documents to descend into anarchy I >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> don't >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> really >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> know. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> My 2 cents. I would certainly advocate (i) above (though >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> admit >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> its a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> strong response to just getting rid of Serna Free >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments). (ii) >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> frightens me quite a bit. Certainly would be a lot of >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> work. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> In the end comes down to (i) who will do most of the >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documentation >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> what do they like or tolerate, (ii) what effort is >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> justified to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> fiddle >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> with what is really quite a nice looking set of existing >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documentation. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> For the moment lets at least agree to keep those horrible >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> out. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Bob >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> On 6 April 2016 at 11:31, Jason Pickering >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > For instance, perhaps this >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > http://www.oxygenxml.com/forum/topic3658.html >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > which seems to describe a means of getting around >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > comments. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Jason Pickering >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Hi Lars, >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> I think there must be a way around this, and I would >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> not be in >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> favor >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> at >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> all of ditching Serna. Its a good tool and not everyone >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> has >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> access >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> to >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> relatively expensive commercial tool like Oxygen. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Serna Free inserts this automatically unfortunately >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> when it >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> saves >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> the >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> document, but lets look for a look around to deal with >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> this in >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Oxygen. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Regards, >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Jason >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Lars Helge Øverland >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> re the documentation.The Serna editor horribly inserts >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> a >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> <!-- Created by Serna Free --> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> comment in all files it creates before the DTD. This >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> throws >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> off >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Oxygen >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> from detecting it to be a Docbook format. Lets not use >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Serna >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> anymore >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> or at >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> least make sure we don't get comments in the beginning >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> of >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> docbook >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> xml >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> files. >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lars >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lars Helge Øverland >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lead developer, DHIS 2 >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> University of Oslo >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Skype: larshelgeoverland >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> http://www.dhis2.org >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-documenters >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-documenters >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> -- >>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Jason P. 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