On 10.10.2010 22:42, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Stephan Soller"<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On 07.10.2010 23:59, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Stephan Soller"<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On 07.10.2010 14:56, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Stephan Soller"<[email protected]> wrote in message
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[1]: http://arkanis.de/
Not to complain, just FYI, this is what that page looks like for me:
http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis1.png
http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis2.png
http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis3.png
Interestingly, if I turn JS on, than it'll look a lot better *until* it
finishes loading, at which point it goes back to looking just like
those
screenshots.
Thanks for the screenshots. May I ask which version of Firefox (if I see
that correctly) your're using
v2.0.0.20
Which actually kinda surprises me because I could have sworn I was on a
much
later version of the 2.x line. I *know* there was a period where it kept
updating itself seemingly all the time (which got quite irritating when I
just wanted to go to a particular URL). But I guess that must have been
the
only 2.x version I was able to find after giving up on FF3. And IIRC, the
built-in update won't let me update to anything less than FF3.
And yea, I know FF2 is really old, but I tried 3.0 and 3.5 and the JS was
only marginally faster, it doesn't seem to fix any of the rendering bugs
I've come across in FF2 (I have 3.5 on my Linux box, just for site
testing),
and every other change they made I hated and downloaded extentions to
undo...until I realized there was no extention to un-unify the unified
forward/back buttons (which I had thought was a good idea when IE7 came
out -- until I actually used IE7), and realized the only winestripe-like
things for FF3 weren't nearly as good as the real winestripe. So I
figured
"Why bog it down with even *more* addons just to turn it into a
half-baked
FF2, when I can just use the real FF2?" YouTube bitches to me about it,
but
well, fuck YouTube; never liked having over-compressed videos
pre-embedded
into a web-based player anyway.
Maybe you should consider looking into some other browsers? Opera, Chrome
and other Gecko based browsers might give you a better experience that the
newer Firefox versions. This is the reason why there are different
browsers after all.
- Safari is ruled out because it's a blurry mess (all for the sake of making
it look more like the printed version? WTF?) and forces useless background
processes, has zero respect for my system's look-and-feel, and has no
"Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or "BetterPrivacy" (Three FF add-ons that
provide functionality that, for me, are absolutely 100% essential).
- IE7+ is out because it has no "Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or
"BetterPrivacy", and I don't like the unified forward/back buttons.
- Iron is out because I *hate* absolutely everything about it's UI, and it
doesn't have "NoScript" (I've heard it has "AdBlock Plus", but I didn't see
it when I first looked so I don't know). Also, configurability seems to be
practically non-existent compared to FF.
- Chrome is out because of all the reasons for which Iron was created in the
first place. I won't even allow Chrome (or Safari) on my computer at all.
- Opera is ruled out because it costs money and every time I tried the demos
it seemed to combine the worst aspects of all the other browsers, plus had
by far the most rendering problems.
- And everything else like IE6-, Netscape, WebTV, Lynx, etc are all ruled
out for obvious reasons.
Adblock Plus, NoScript and BetterPrivacy are a combination that's hard
to find in other browsers. I suppose you have to do some manual
configuration to get that done.
Many browsers today "compress" the UI in order to free more horizontal
space for the websites. There is an ongoing development towards wider
displays that shrink in height and the new browser UIs are a logical
counter development to that. In Opera however it's just the default
configuration and with a few clicks you can bring every toolbar back
(and add or remove buttons, etc.). Never found a way to revert that in
Firefox or Chrome but I haven't searched every "about:config" option.
Regarding configuration Opera is on pair with Firefox if not even more
flexible, therefore they don't have extensions.
Opera giving the most rendering bugs is actually a funny story. They had
the most advanced "quirks mode" (IE 5 compatibility mode). It changed
quite a bit in the rendering of websites and was very close to IE 5 (I
really doubt they had fun programming this). However many developers
didn't know how to trigger standard compliant mode back then (these
strange DTDs...) and forced Opera (and IE 6 and Firefox) into quirks
mode. But since Firefox looked more or less the same in quirks mode
people of course regarded the Opera and IE rendering as bugs.
ps.: Opera is free since over 5 years, so you might want to take a look
since much has changed since then.
Happy programming
Stephan
