On Wednesday, 13 May 2015 at 05:13:55 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
On 12/05/15 21:35, FujiBar wrote:
Walter would probably violently disagree with the "no decent
development
tools" assessment. But I got to say that people used to Visual
Studio
and XCode (like myself) not being impressed by D's
1980s-style bare
basic command line tools is not surprising.
I don't think the command line aspect of things is justified.
With that said, C++ has some really good cross referencing
tools (e.g. in eclipse) that D not only does not match, but
with CTFE, I do not see how it /can/ match. I actually miss
those occasionally.
What bothers me most about D, however, is that the toolchain
itself isn't there to pick up its share of the load.
Transitioning between versions of the compiler requires a task
with several days' worth of work behind it, and getting the
code to compile on both dmd and gdc is a full time task for
someone here. With DMD's optimizer not worth much, this is a
real issue.
And this is before mentioning stability. I've lost count of the
number of times my compilation failed with an assert thrown by
dmd, and just last week I've had to refactor the code around a
consistent segmentation fault by the compiler when trying to
compile it. It got better for it, but ideally I'd like to
refactor my code because I want to, not because the compiler
crashes unless I do so.
Shachar
Interesting. Since >= DMD 2.05x I haven't had any real stability
problems with each new release.
Each release still breaks my code in some way because each new
compiler version improves on the last and detects latent bugs in
my code.
My only concern now with a new release is the compiler's memory
usage growing.
bye,
lobo
