On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 12:30:12 UTC, jmh530 wrote:
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 08:21:56 UTC, Joakim wrote:
That's funny, because you're the only one using that routine.
I've linked to extensive data showing that Windows is already
dying in the thread that I gave you, specifically my first and
last posts in that thread. You seem not to be able to follow
such links and data, as you not only don't acknowledge but
seemingly flatly deny the ongoing PC sales decline? The
collapse is next.
I don't see why anyone would deny a PC sales decline, but it
doesn't imply a collapse. I would expect more of a decline and
then a stabilization. One reason is that the enterprise market
is slow moving and a big component of PC sales. I dispute that
the average white collar worker isn't going to be doing a bunch
of work in Word/Excel/PowerPoint on a laptop or desktop ten
years from now. Maybe twenty years from now, I don't know?
The decline itself doesn't imply a collapse, the collapse is
coming because the mobile market is looking for new growth
avenues and releasing mobile accessories like Samsung's DeX dock
or laptop replacements like the iPad Pro or this laptop shell:
https://sentio.com
Mobile convergence killed off standalone mp3 players, e-readers,
GPS devices, point-and-shoot cameras, feature phones, a whole
host of former mobile single-purpose devices. They're going
after the PC now, with all the massive scale of the mobile wave:
https://twitter.com/lukew/status/842397687420923904
Can the PC market withstand that tidal wave? I'm betting not.
As for the average white collar worker in a decade, if they're
using Google Docs on their Samsung S18 connected to something
like that Sentio laptop shell, do you really imagine they won't
be able to get their work done? I think it's more likely they're
using software completely different than Office or Docs to get
their work done, as those suites are already way outdated by now,
but that's a different tangent.
I'm not really sure what the point of all this is. I have no
intention of doing data analysis on a smart phone any time in
the next ten years. I don't see why anyone would. So my main
use case for D is probably not going anywhere. And I get stuck
using Windows at work because everything's slow moving and
there's no way I'm gonna be switching to Linux there. The whole
Windows is dying is too far off to be relevant to things I need
to actually accomplish.
I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced a
Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with an
Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and 3 GBs of RAM as my
daily driver a couple years ago, without skipping a beat. I
built large mixed C++/D codebases on my ultrabook, now I do that
on my Android/ARM tablet, which has a slightly weaker chip than
my smartphone.
The latest ARM-based iPad Pro is notorious for beating low to
mid-range Intel Macbooks on benchmarks. It is not difficult to
pick up smartphones with 6-8 GBs of RAM nowadays. Unless you
need monster machines for your data and aren't allowed to crunch
your data on online servers for security reasons, a very niche
case, you can very likely do it on a smartphone.
You may be right that your particular workplace moves slowly and
they're not going mobile anytime soon. But this is such a big
shift that you have to wonder if many such slow-moving workplaces
will be able to compete with places that don't: just ask all the
taxi companies phoning in rides to their drivers who got put out
of business by Lyft, Uber, and their smartphone-wielding hordes
of drivers.
There will always be a few Windows cockroaches that survive the
mobile nuclear blast, but we're talking about the majority who
won't.
As for you particularly, I can't speak to your situation without
knowing more, but nobody's saying D should drop Windows support.
I started off this OT thread by saying that investing more time
in getting D somewhere close to the level of C#/C++ support in
Visual Studio or some other IDE is a waste of time. I stand by
that. If Rainer or someone else does it anyway, that's up to
them how they want to spend their time.
