I agree, Rick. 

Continuing to use 20M as an example, I doubt that the ARRL's 
bandplan will restrict phone operations to anything less than 14150-
14350; thus all wideband digital modes will likely be restricted to 
14100-14150. The contention between 3500 hz keyboard-to-keyboard and 
semi-automatic QSOs in 14100-14150 will be intolerable unless 
operators of semi-automatic stations start losing their licenses if 
their stations habitually QRM in-progress QSOs while responding to 
remote requests.

   73,

      Dave, AA6YQ



--- In [email protected], KV9U <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave and group members,
> 
> If the proposed bandwidth proposals ever go through, the wider 
modes 
> would be required to operate higher in the bands. For example, on 
20 meters:
> 
> 14.000 - 14.065  would be the < 200 Hz modes such as  CW and 
PSK31/63 
> and others that would be made to accomodate this BW
> 14.065 - 14.100 would be the 500 Hz and under modes such as RTTY, 
> MFSK16, Clover II, Pactor 1 and 2
> 14.100 - 14.350 would be the wide modes up to 3500 Hz such as 
Olivia, 
> MT-63, PAX, Domino, and Pactor 3
> 
> Although the narrow modes could legally be used in the wide band 
areas, 
> you could expect that they would tend to stay in areas that would 
give 
> them the most protection. Wide modes, such as Pactor 3 could no 
longer 
> be used below 14.100 in areas under FCC administration. Same for 
ALE or 
> other wide modes. It also means that Olivia, MT-63 and similar 
wide band 
> modes would only be allowed to operate above 14.100, and would 
compete 
> for a much more limited space for wide modes than we have now.
> 
> It would be even more difficult than is currently possible, for 
any 
> radio amateurs who want to establish any kind of "channel" 
dedicated to 
> some purpose since they will be more crowded with new digital 
modes that 
> will likely be very wide band to maximize robustness and 
throughput in a 
> limited 3500 Hz channel in the area above 14.100. And further, 
ARRL has 
> indicated a willingness to come up with a bandplan that would tend 
to 
> segregate analog voice from digital modes. My hope is that there 
would 
> at least be some "interface" point where you could operate either 
of the 
> modes, similar to what is currently allowed on SSTV.
> 
> While the information at "bandplans.com" is very helpful to see 
where 
> some suggested operating frequencies might be with competing 
interests, 
> the information is NOT in any way a "bandplan." Since no one 
individual 
> or group owns the frequency, and others may use a given frequency 
with 
> an appropriately legal emission for their license class, some of 
the 
> information is more wishful thinking on the part of those who 
would like 
> to see channelization of the amateur bands.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Rick, KV9U
> 
> 
> Dave Bernstein wrote:
> 
> >Bonnie has been working very hard to move keyboard-to-keyboard 
modes 
> >out of the region above 14100 to provide unobstructed access for 
> >automatic stations. It is reasonable for a Winlink and ALE 
> >afficianado to advocate such allocations, but it is dishonest to 
> >refer to http://bandplans.com as a bandplan, which implies 
official 
> >approval.
> >
> >   73,
> >
> >      Dave, AA6YQ
> >
> >--- In [email protected], "Craig Cook" <craig.n7or@> 
> >wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>It shows ALE as being on the MT63 typical frequency of 14,109.5 
> >>    
> >>
> >Khz.
> >  
> >
>







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