@Nikolaus ... Yeah I'd agree with that. You can evoke retro without necessarily looking outdated in the negative sense. On Nov 29, 2015 2:48 PM, "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Am 29.11.2015 um 15:16 schrieb Riccardo Mottola < > [email protected]>: > > > Hi, > > > > Gregory Casamento wrote: > >>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful and if > I were > >>> >to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that. > >> They are OLD. More important than their usefulness is what they > >> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and > >> OPENSTEP only. Like it or not our old look is part of our problem. > >> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of first > >> hand observation over the last ten years. > > > > I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and factoids. > > > > Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus and > one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and Motif/OS2/Windows. They > have close parents and predecessors (e.g. SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT > made them consistent. > > > > The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive and as > trying to port applications back and forth it allows for a unique > interaction. It allows, for example to have very smooth document based > applications which are impossible to achieve (as still the latest office > suite of a big software company proves) with in-window menus. > > It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more flexible > and works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We do not need to > invent things like "tearable menus" and even "palettes" are not strictly > necessary. > > > > Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody. > > That is IMHO all correct about being distinctive, unique and consistent > over multiple screens, but you don't see that in a screenshot. There you > only get the look, not the feel. > > Imagine, someone from outside our community successfully installs GNUstep, > is happy about how applications work and writes a blog entry, he/she will > add screen shots which indeed looks old fashioned to his/her readers. This > spreads a negative touch (except for fans of retro look). Unless some > default theme looks "modern" or "vivid" or "up-to-date". > > Just my 2 cts. > > BR, > Nikolaus > >
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