@Adam,
Yes, indeed I like Amiga retro and never liked NeXTStep. With NeXT if I
use 10 Apps, and I do this often in my hacking sessions, then I've 10
windows for the Apps + 10 floating menus for each Apps, that are shown
everytime I click on the window of the relative App. This means I also
have to take care about positioning the floating menus as well as the
App Window, each time that I click on that window and the relative menus
appears, overlaps another window which probably I need to read; not so
comfortably in my point of view. This is quite horrible for me, messy
and inconsistent, floating menus everywhere!
Il 29/11/2015 15:51, Adam S ha scritto:
@Nikolaus ... Yeah I'd agree with that. You can evoke retro without
necessarily looking outdated in the negative sense.
On Nov 29, 2015 2:48 PM, "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Am 29.11.2015 um 15:16 schrieb Riccardo Mottola
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
> Hi,
>
> Gregory Casamento wrote:
>>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful
and if I were
>>> >to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that.
>> They are OLD. More important than their usefulness is what they
>> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and
>> OPENSTEP only. Like it or not our old look is part of our problem.
>> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of
first
>> hand observation over the last ten years.
>
> I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and
factoids.
>
> Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus
and one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and
Motif/OS2/Windows. They have close parents and predecessors (e.g.
SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT made them consistent.
>
> The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive
and as trying to port applications back and forth it allows for a
unique interaction. It allows, for example to have very smooth
document based applications which are impossible to achieve (as
still the latest office suite of a big software company proves)
with in-window menus.
> It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more
flexible and works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We
do not need to invent things like "tearable menus" and even
"palettes" are not strictly necessary.
>
> Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody.
That is IMHO all correct about being distinctive, unique and
consistent over multiple screens, but you don't see that in a
screenshot. There you only get the look, not the feel.
Imagine, someone from outside our community successfully installs
GNUstep, is happy about how applications work and writes a blog
entry, he/she will add screen shots which indeed looks old
fashioned to his/her readers. This spreads a negative touch
(except for fans of retro look). Unless some default theme looks
"modern" or "vivid" or "up-to-date".
Just my 2 cts.
BR,
Nikolaus
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