Hi, Nice screenshot you posted, is it a mockup or a working theme ?
As a new user, I believe there are some few things could already make the default installation look less repellent and more up to date : - Changing the default icons (the current ones are just bad inspiration of the nice NeXT ones) - Some shadows (as on that screenshot) - maybe changing the GNUstep logo :P … Some simple things that changes the look. But changing the defaults icons would be the first thing to do, really. I believe the work Riccardo is doing on the themes is the way to go. Anyway , just my noob 2 € cents… Regards Gaël Elégoët [email protected] galgot.com Le 29 nov. 2015 à 19:10, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> a écrit : > Riccardo, > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Riccardo Mottola > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Gregory Casamento wrote: >>>> >>>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful and if I >>>> were >>>>> to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that. >>> >>> They are OLD. More important than their usefulness is what they >>> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and >>> OPENSTEP only. Like it or not our old look is part of our problem. >>> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of first >>> hand observation over the last ten years. >> >> >> I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and factoids. > > Which are factoids? All of the observations from people at the > events, on twitter, etc... are based on personal experience. I hear > it every day. Not factoids... these are widely held opinions. I'm > sorry you don't want to believe it. > >> Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus and >> one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and Motif/OS2/Windows. They have >> close parents and predecessors (e.g. SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT made >> them consistent. > > They are from 1985. Sorry, they evoke images of the past. > >> The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive and as >> trying to port applications back and forth it allows for a unique >> interaction. It allows, for example to have very smooth document based >> applications which are impossible to achieve (as still the latest office >> suite of a big software company proves) with in-window menus. >> It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more flexible and >> works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We do not need to invent >> things like "tearable menus" and even "palettes" are not strictly necessary. > > Distinctive, perhaps. Perhaps there is a way we could make them more > modern and still keep them next like. I am not advocating getting rid > of them or going for in-window or menu-bar menus (on the top of the > screen)... what I'm suggesting is something like what was originally > proposed by Jesse a few years ago in the attached file. > >> Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody. > > I would very much like to see our interface changed to something > everyone can be in love with. This is only good for the project. > Our out of the box experience with users SUCKS ROCKS and this is > something we need to think about. > >> Riccardo > > GC > -- > Gregory Casamento > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant > http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com > http://ind.ie/phoenix/ > <ui.png>_______________________________________________ > Discuss-gnustep mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep _______________________________________________ Discuss-gnustep mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep
