All of this back-and-forth is really interesting (to somebody, I suppose
:) )...... 

But, I'd be interested in a discussion that was a mite bit more
practical, namely:

Tucows/OpenSRS is the registry operator for .VC, correct? 

I would guess right now, the value of .VC as just yet another TLD is
somewhat limited. While BIZ, INFO, US, etc. have had some levels of
success, none of them have evinced any potential akin to .COM, and .VC
probably will be no different.

However.... Ross mentioned somewhere in this thread that perhaps the
challenge for any registry operator was to differentiate a TLD with
specific features and policies that would make it unique and add value
to it... Above and beyond the value proposition that BIZ, INFO, US, NET,
ORG, etc. provide (or CC, WS, etc.)

I'd be curious what others think about this... And of course, I wouldn't
have brought this up if I didn't have two cents to throw in, so here's
mine to kick this off:

What if you:

* Make .VC truly first-come, first-served... No trademark rights would
hold. 

* Make .VC anonymous... That is, via various mechanisms, the identity of
the holder is perpetually shielded completely. Ownership of the domain
is via holding a digital key. Lose the key, or don't have access to it,
and you don't own the domain.

* .VC domains are perputual, without exception. Pay the renewal fee,
have the digital key, you own it. No issues like the recent
ogrish.com/Joker.com issue (not that I agree with the content on
ogrish.com, mind you -- that's not the point here). In other words, the
AUP is "any usage whatever is acceptable... Pay the fee, use the
domain". 

(And yes, spare me the arguments regarding spam, child porn, terrorists,
druggies, whatever.... I'll stipulate to all those, but further contend
that they would represent only a slightly larger percentage of the total
.VC domain owner population than .COM or any other TLD.... Except of
course, .GOD <laughs>)

Of the three points, the first one is really apart from the other two...
You can have #2 and #3, without #1, but I think there's some value to
#1.

And here's a number 4.....

* Allow for yearly registrations, or allow for a perpetual ownership...
For say, $1000, I can register putzhead.vc and own it forever.

Comments? Or, as Johnny Storm used to say, Flame On?

:)

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger 
> B.A. Klorese
> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Marc Schneiders; 'Discuss List'
> Subject: Re: OpenSRS Live Reseller Update [.com/.net & .name] 
> - 13/02/03
> 
> 
> Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> 
> > Ummm...okay. You've never lost a domain name apparently, 
> nor have you
> > been the victim of a hijacking, nor have you had to beg one 
> or six of 
> > a 150 different registrars, all with different policies, to fix a 
> > deletion that you are stuck on the wrong end of. 
> 
> Hijacking should bear registry (and possibly criminal) 
> penalties.  Don't 
> try to fix it with a band-aid.
> 
> I've lost several domain names.  I admit it was due to my 
> carelessness 
> and that I deserved to.
> 
> > This is all besides the point anyways - if you remember, you were
> > advocating that less competition and more regulation would fix 
> > problems like this - with the problem being the exorbitant 
> price that 
> > NSI is charging for RGP transactions because of the 
> monopoly that they 
> > have with .com and .net. 
> 
> As I said, I don't consider the price exorbitant.  We should punish 
> invalid deletions, and make other restorations extremely expensive.
> 
> >> Providing email?  Since always, until registrars decided it was a
> >> value-add they could provide outside of their domain of 
> interest, and 
> >> that could be inappropriately bundled.
> >
> >
> > Actually, no. The job of an ISP to is provide a bridge between the
> > packet-based and switched networks - that is until ISPs 
> decided they 
> > could provide value outside of their domain of interest and 
> > inappropriately bundle these two services... 
> 
> Nope, never was, at least in the days of the commercial 
> Internet.  There 
> have been ISPs (differentiated from IAPs) since Barry Shein first 
> brought up The World in 1989.
> 
> >> There's no real difference between a TLD and a phone 
> directory.  They
> >> need to do one thing and do it well, not add hokey-fanokey 
> services 
> >> that are appropriately provided by other parts of the supply chain.
> >
> > Sure hokey fanokey extras like dragging semantic overlays,
> > navigational systems and use charters into the mix. Right. 
> 
> As opposed to REMOVING them from the mix.
> 
> > Gotcha completely. In other words, you're not adverse to paying too
> > much for crappy products from a company that wouldn't know customer 
> > service if it stuck them in the eye with a fork.
> 
> If "too much" is defined as "more than I'd like to pay"?  Yes, of 
> course.  I'd like to pay the zero it used to be.  But I also 
> don't want 
> to see a world full of Southwests -- providing 
> ever-diminishing levels 
> of management in exchange for price reductions.  I don't see 
> any reason 
> domain registrations should drop in price just because more 
> people would 
> buy them then.
> 
> 
> 

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