On 2010-10-15 6:00 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > On 10/15/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: >> On 2010-10-15 9:58 AM, James Wilde wrote: >>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote: >>>> Doesn't it make more sense just to modify the Reply-To header (to >>>> both the list and the OP) and let the mail client just do the right >>>> thing?
>>> You mean automatically, or in the copy of the message that comes to >>> the moderators? I didn't think that any changes one made to this >>> would percolate through to the message subsequently posted to the >>> list, but I'm willing to try. >> Yes, automatically... if the list software cannot do it natively, then >> someone could write a custom handler (at least in mailman you can do >> this, if exmlm can't then thats another reason to change) that would >> accept posts from non-members, but with some extra processing where it >> modified the Reply-To headers. >> The reason allowing non-members to post is a problem (endless questions >> and explanations) is *because* these messages are currently handled >> manually. > Sorry, but I see it differently: You say that, but then everything that follows appears to be in agreement with me, so I'm confused as to 'what' you 'see differently'... > While you seem to think of the best way the user get the information > asked for, this is not the main reason for a users mailing list. Nope... that question has nothing to do with the topic (of allowing posts from non-subscribers). > I'm probably not the only community member starting his "OOo career" > with a question on the users list. > > It's one of the main possibilities to find non-coding community > members (besides documentation). > > I'd rather propose to state clearly on the website the different ways > for getting user support: > > - People hesitant to subscribe to the mailing list should ask their > questions on the forum. If someone is hesitant to subscribe to an email list, aren't they also likely to be hesitant to register for a users forum? > - If users want to ask their question on the mailing list, they should > subscribe IMHO and find out how our community works. > > With the information by the moderators they will have the chance to get > all the replies from the archive or subscribe and perhaps become a > community member. > > I don't want the "OP is not subscribed. Please CC him" mails on this > mailing list and the discussions about the necessity for them. Nor do I. My suggestion for simply modifying the Reply-To headers would give a semblance of the best of both worlds. It wouldn't always work perfectly of course (some mail clients don't respect t Reply-To headers, as do some list participants), but it would dramatically cut down on all the noise. That said - you seem to think I am an advocate of allowing non-subscribers to post - I am not, I am against it. My suggestion to modify the Reply-To headers was made with the assumption that this policy was going to continue. Also, I didn't cover every base - there should be some really good anti-spam software in front of the list server (ASSP would be an excellent choice) to (all but) eliminate spam posts... > Who ever wants to CC him can do so, but without bothering others. Apparently you *are* in favor of allowing non-subs to post, so my suggestion should be something you'd be in favor of. > Helping users with their questions is just one task of our mailing > lists. Involving them with the community is another - in my eyes at > least equal important! No argument from me, so again, I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with me about... -- Best regards, Charles -- E-mail to [email protected] for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
