I agree with Jonathan and others, and indeed said as much some time ago when the forums were first being discussed. At the time Björn appeared to be quite emphatic about the opposite point of view (forums for contributors being at least as important, if not more so), and I was under the impression that was the Board's preference too, so I didn't argue further. Sounds like I may not have not been paying enough attention.
--Jean On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think until we get things going that we should focus ONLY on user forums > for now and then we can slowly add contributors sections once we get the > teething problems and issues sorted and a steady work flow going. > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Christian, >> >> I don't think my tone was inappropriate, but if it really was I am sorry >> and it was not my intention. I still disagree with the approach of mixing >> both contributors and users forums development this way, but you should not >> infer that I am against contributors forums..to me it is a very valid >> option for some type of contributions and teams, while not being an option >> for others. My point is on the approach, not on the content of the >> proposal. >> >> Best, >> >> Charles. >> Le 8 oct. 2012 03:27, "Christian Lohmaier" < >> lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com> a écrit : >> >> > Hi Charles, *, >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Charles-H. Schulz >> > <charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > But the discussion was started about users forums. Anything besides >> that >> > > would require the interested teams to have been consulted before. >> > >> > This thread (or these threads, as they have gone to various lists, the >> > "interesting teams") /is/ the consulting *before*. >> > >> > As Marc correctly pointed out: This is part of the job he and the >> > other coordinators did volunteer for. Get the initial forum structure >> > sorted out, ask the affected people for their input. >> > >> > Your reply (or should I say the tone of your reply) was not >> > appropriate in this scenario. >> > >> > > What I >> > > fear at this stage is both confusion from new contributors (for >> instance >> > > someone submitting a patch to a forum might never get picked up because >> > > devs would not bother reading the forum) and exhaustion from the >> > > moderators. >> > >> > Björn and others made it pretty clear from the very start that core >> > development will continue to use the mailinglists, and I don't >> > remember anyone questioning that, so the notification was just that. - >> > A notification. >> > >> > No list will be forced to move to the forum. >> > >> > If people complain, then they complain and state: No, thanks. >> > >> > If you read the mails, you notice that this is one of the options that >> > were offered. >> > >> > That now you tell "the Board wants a forum exclusively meant for >> > user-support" I reply "WTF did nobody else from the board point that >> > out earlier". >> > Björn after all is Deputy on the Board, and his input early in the >> > process was the basis for all this, as it was quite a reasonable thing >> > to do. >> > >> > So while I don't question your intentions, I question your style in this >> > regard. >> > >> > Yes, suggesting to move a list to the forum is controversial, Björn >> > did already anticipate that. But that by itself doesn't make it a >> > stupid idea that needs to be stopped at all cost. >> > >> > Just say: "No thanks, I prefer to keep <whatever> to use the >> > mailinglists" and move on to the next topic. >> > >> > ciao >> > Christian >> > >> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
