@Adi: That totally wasn't a slight—just a slip of the mind haha. Yes, let's make a page on the FC wiki to organize our thoughts? @Brian: The schools I rattled off were just ones that have been relatively active in the Free Culture movement. They all have Free Culture chapters, more or less. You make a great point about creating viable comparisons: it would definitely be our aim to rate as many schools as possible (and diversely, too), but getting info about Lewis & Clark for ex. would be ostensibly harder, because there's no FC chapter/contacts there (can anyone on this listserv correct me?). As Kevin said, starting out with a small group of schools with which we're readily familiar will make it easier to hone our methodology and approach.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Brian Rowe <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a little confused, are we looking for the top 10 open universities or > are we rating the top 10 USWR schools on thier open status? > > If the latter we should also include at least 2 other schools that are in > the 11-99 field, but might have better Open University scores, it would have > much broader appeal and be more useful. If a student is attending a lower > rated school it helps a lot to have a similarly rated school to point to as > an example when trying to get ones own school to open up. Telling Seattle > University that Yale, who is slightly better funded, is open is not as > effective as telling them that Lewis and Clark which has the same budget is > ahead of us on this issue. > > Here is one I would recommend including and one maybe: > Michigan > Lewis and Clark ? (their law school is great, I am not sure about their > undergrad) > > -Brian > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Wesley Chen <[email protected]>wrote: > >> @Kevin: A Top 10 list would be a great start; that's already a basketful >> to deal with! I think we already know what schools to look at first: >> Harvard, MIT, NYU, Georgetown, USC, Swarthmore, etc. >> @Christina: If we get this thing off the ground in time, we could get a >> lot of exposure during college apps time through the usual channels: >> Slashdot, Ars, digg, BB, etc. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Christina Ducruet <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> What an excellent suggestion. These are also high profile so our ratings >>> could conceivably get viewed by a lot of people researching these schools. >>> Anyone got great SEO skills? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Kevin Donovan <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Just had a meeting with some people at Georgetown and bounced this idea >>> off them. They really like it and think it would be a good way to enact >>> change. >>> >>> One point they made: because we do not have the resources to do a large >>> survey of schools, one professor with lots of political experience suggested >>> we do a Top 10 Report as a beginning (researching and ranking US News' Top >>> 10 Schools). I think this makes a lot of sense because it will still force >>> us to define the methodology and give us experience with the research >>> process, but it will not over-extend us. What's more, once we have this, it >>> could serve as a point to justify some funding to do a larger survey. >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:39 PM, D Parker Phinney < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> definitely interested in helping with logistics, including both the >>>> criteria for the report card, as well as any web programming or whatever >>>> that needs to be done. after tuesday, school is out! >>>> >>>> Wesley Chen wrote: >>>> > @Kevin: Right, determining the criteria and their point weight seems >>>> to >>>> > be the hardest part. Each category, such as Open Access or Network >>>> > Filtering ought to be broken down into smaller, simple questions like >>>> > "has the university considered Open Access?" or "is the university in >>>> > discussion about implementing OA?" The point is to make the overall >>>> > grading criteria as granular as possible. Besides Y/N questions, I >>>> can't >>>> > think of another way to make a objective judgment—using a scale of 1-5 >>>> > clearly isn't an option. So in any subcategory, a YES may yield any >>>> > number of points. This grading system obviously will be finessed >>>> later. >>>> > *I think assembling the criteria bank will be the toughest part.* >>>> > >>>> > *...@christina: Sure. Let's say that the overall criteria index is worth >>>> > 50 points. You'd need at least 45 points for an "A"-range grade. >>>> > However, we're running into the same problem of objectiveness if our >>>> > definition of openness isn't based in numbers. So, openness might have >>>> > to be defined by 10 or so Y/N questions. >>>> > >>>> > @Alex: Would appreciate that! >>>> > >>>> > Parker H and I already had a discussion about this recently. I think >>>> > this project has a lot of potential, and I'm glad we're picking up >>>> steam >>>> > again. Anyone else who hasn't chimed in on this thread interested in >>>> > forming a more formal committee to work on this? >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Alex Kozak < <[email protected]> >>>> [email protected] >>>> > <mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > ccLearn is starting up a project to create a database for >>>> University >>>> > copyright ownership policies in a Semantic MediaWiki format. I >>>> > should be able to give you all more information about that soon so >>>> > that you could use it and/or contribute to it, but it isn't quite >>>> > ready yet. >>>> > >>>> > - Alex >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kevin Donovan >>>> > <<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected] >>>> > <mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I really do like this idea and the idea of a stand-alone Open >>>> > University Report site sounds great. >>>> > >>>> > My main concern (outside scalability) is the criteria by which >>>> we >>>> > judge. Ideally, it would be objective so we could cross index >>>> > schools, >>>> > but what would those be besides Y/N indicators? >>>> > >>>> > On 4/27/09, Wesley Chen < <[email protected]> >>>> [email protected] >>>> > <mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > Parker: One of the kids you might remember meeting when I >>>> was at >>>> > > Dartmouth on Sat night worked on GreenReportCard.org a >>>> little >>>> > while back. >>>> > > Looking at that site tonight has given me the idea that we >>>> > should try to >>>> > > create a similar score card with a set of standardized >>>> > grading criteria >>>> > > (e.g. administration, licensing, Open Access, etc.). >>>> > > The way our wiki article is structured right now is clunky, >>>> > and the >>>> > > information is admittedly incomplete. How about creating a >>>> > rundown for each >>>> > > school similar to the way GRC does it? It's easier (and >>>> more >>>> > fun) to read >>>> > > and write, plus I think it would be far more appealing to >>>> the >>>> > non-FC crowd >>>> > > comparing colleges or to those already attending but >>>> looking >>>> > to identify >>>> > > areas of improvement at their school. >>>> > > >>>> > > Do you think the report card portion of OU should spin off >>>> > and become its >>>> > > own project and web site? Baby steps first, of course, but >>>> I >>>> > think moving in >>>> > > that direction could have great potential. >>>> > > >>>> > > — W >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:31 PM, D Parker Phinney >>>> > > < <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]>>wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >> so, some schools are ending for summer very soon. we >>>> still >>>> > have a good >>>> > >> 5 weeks here at dartmouth, and we plan on spending part of >>>> > that time >>>> > >> getting together our OU status report (once >>>> controversially >>>> > referred to >>>> > >> as a "report card") together. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> i encourage other chapters to try to do the same by the >>>> end >>>> > of the >>>> > >> school year. it would be great to get some kind of press >>>> > release or >>>> > >> blog post together early this summer showing where we are >>>> > and what we've >>>> > >> done. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>>> <http://wiki.freeculture.org/Open_University_individual_university_status_and_information> >>>> http://wiki.freeculture.org/Open_University_individual_university_status_and_information >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> an incomplete report is better than a nonexistent one. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> -- >>>> > >> D Parker Phinney >>>> > >> madebyparker.com < <http://madebyparker.com> >>>> http://madebyparker.com> >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>> > >> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > >> <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Sent from my mobile device >>>> > >>>> > Kevin Donovan >>>> > Georgetown '11: SFS >>>> > 630.849.8285 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>> > <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Alex Kozak >>>> > <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > 916.225.2718 >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>> > <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Discuss mailing list >>>> > <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> > <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>>> -- >>>> D Parker Phinney >>>> madebyparker.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> <http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss> >>>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kevin Donovan >>> Georgetown '11: SFS >>> 630.849.8285 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> > > > -- > Brian Rowe > Juris Doctorate > Google Public Policy Fellow @ Public Knowledge > (206) 335-8577 (Cell) > > Public Knowledge > www.publicknowledge.org > > Access To Justice Technology Principles > www.ATJWeb.org > > Freedom for IP > www.FreedomforIP.org > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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