Then if you're able to educate your colleagues, get them on board as
you say, you're doing the right thing. We heard a lot over the weekend
about relationships between designers and engineering. I feel this is
way more important than what methodology is used. Simply throwing
things over the wall to "them", etc just doesn't work, in my
experience. Relationship building has always worked for me, and I feel
that true design can or cannot happen in any type of development
approach. It's all in how you establish yourself, and design culture
into the organization.

Jeff

On Feb 12, 2008 5:19 PM, Scott McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2008 5:06 PM, Jeff White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 2008 1:37 PM, Scott McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Why not just throw it in a data table and be done with it?"
> > >
> > > Scott
> > What's the issue with that? Kidding...
> >
> > How have you handled the situation?
> >
> > Jeff
>
> Earlier on in my career, I just wept softly to myself because I didn't
> have the knowledge and words to back up
> what my instincts were telling me - and then just design as best as I could.*
>
> Now - thanks to self-education, experience, peoplegroups like this
> list,  and books written by
> lovely, talented and passionate people give me more traction - both in
> highlighting principles of user-
> centered design and showing them how the very gadgets, applications
> and widgets that enrich their lives
> are all what they are due to the 'floaty disciplines'.
>
> As things have gone further (such as with the ideas and hopes that
> have been ignited by interaction08),
> and I'm more than just some weird amalgamation of graphics guy and
> programmer with
> a liberal arts degree, I can persuade people and hell, get them
> outright on board - both at lunch and during the process.
>
> When there is process.  I still find in particular places that call
> themselves 'software shops', design beyond "give me a good
> color theme" is the first corner(stone) that gets cut.
>
> Scott
>
> *(Follow-up barbs would include "You just do HTML, right?" and "Just
> make it like Amazon.")
>
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> don't believe in it at all.
> Noam Chomsky
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