On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Evan Pettrey wrote: > I didn't intend to start a fight guys...my apologies.
I'm not sure there's a fight here. there was definantly a case of taking offense when none was intended. And in case it's not clear here, I was attempting to describe a mindset I am seeing, not belittle anyone. I have seen Solaris and RedHat admins who fit the profile of "use the GUI and not care or want to know what's happening under the covers". > There are things I like about both platforms and hope I can continue to work > in a hybrid environment. I was just hoping to gain some insight on why there > isn't much I see spoken about the Windows side of things. > > Both sides have a number of valid points...perhaps we should just agree to > that and move on to a better subject. at this point I think that just cutting off the discussion cold is more likely to leave bad feelings around than airing them and clarifying what is meant. I have met some very good windows admins who are interested in what's happening under the covers, and are able to script changes (including scripting around bugs), but they don't seem to be as common, either in terms of absolute nubmers or percentages as they are among *nix admins. I think there's a strong correlation (I'm not going to say causation) between this and participation in the greater 'community' (tieing things back to the initial question. David Lang > -Evan > On Jan 27, 2011 9:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Thu, 27 Jan 2011, Michael Ryder wrote: >> >>> Yes, Atom, that's exactly what I meant. >>> >>> And no, Robert, I wouldn't be sitting on my hands waiting for months for > a >>> solution, I'd be working with tech support to find a resolution, or >>> scripting my way around the problem. >> >> In order to script your way around the problem, you have to be willing to >> go under the covers enough to understand what is happening so that you can > >> script to get it done. >> >> From your initial post it sounded like you were saying that you saw no >> reason to understand what was actually happening, "that is the >> responsibility of the vendors". If that was what you were saying, there >> would be no possible way for you to script around the problem as you would > >> have no way (and no intention) of understanding what the tool was trying >> to do. >> >> David Lang >> >>> In my experience, at least in the last 5 years, the Windows tools I use > are >>> all stable, all work and all do what I need. Why settle for less? >>> >>> Wait. Are you all telling me that I'm somehow lacking because I don't go > in >>> "under the covers?" I'm not really concerned about doing a good job > unless >>> I'm writing code? I'm a "new person" because I manage Windows systems? >>> That I'm using training wheels? >>> >>> If that's the prevailing opinion of LOPSA members, then I think I may > have >>> identified why you seem to be light on Windows sysamins. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> http://www.lostinthedetails.com >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2011 8:11 PM, "Atom Powers" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> (Trying not to be flippant...) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Michael Ryder <[email protected]> > wrote: >>>> My boss wants me man... >>> My boss wants me to be improving the efficiency of the company and >>> supporting corporate employees and projects. If that means debugging >>> code, then that's what I'll be doing. >>> >>> >>>> As much as I desire to be able to fix a problem, it's someone else's >>>> responsibility to fix thei... >>> Maybe where you are you have very clearly defined responsibilities; >>> maybe your job description says "don't fix somebody else's code". But, >>> I suspect, for most of us the code and the applications are really >>> just tools for some greater goal and we are expected to do whatever it >>> takes to reach that goal. >>> >>> >>>> Provide the original programmers with error codes, log files and any > other >>>> diagnostic informati... >>> Perhaps you meant, "If I'm paying for support, why should I spend my >>> time fixing something I'm paying someone else to do"? This seems >>> perfectly reasonable to me, but if I'm not paying for support then I'm >>> probably the one responsible for fixing it (or finding another >>> solution that *does* work). >>> >>> -- >>> Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. >>> --Atom Powers-- >>> > _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
