----- Original Message ----- > Education, LOPSA keeps coming back to this as a root problem. We ask > ourselves what good is DevOps? We have no clue as a group, because > there's little group consensus on what DevOps means. Can I DevOps a > bunch of Windows 8 clients? Or is DevOps strictly related to > build-and-release? Or is it just a warm fuzzy cultural standard? Is > it possible to even hire a DevOps like I can a system administrator? > Can I DevOps without specific tools?
Education is a tricky subject...because defining something rigid (along the lines of what's required in other professions) would the exclude most of the current population of system administrators. Which could result in us gradually being put out of work (or suddenly.) Right now (at $work) Education is seen as something HR and AA keep insisting we have on our postings, that we have argue to exempt it. Though it does seem odd to not care about whether a candidate has any higher education to work at a higher education institution . And, I've heard other people indicate that a candidate that finished a degree is win over one that didn't. Though I think Affirmative Action disallowed it. (though there was a sysadmin that had started a computer science degree, but didn't finish due to getting sent to the Gulf....and he was using the tuition benefit to work on finishing the degree...though he left before finishing for a better paying job, though after our last failed position search [which used to be his position] failed due to salary...he offered to come back for what had been our offer....) Though our not having a requirement for a degree makes it difficult for our positions to be considered H1B eligible....which hasn't stopped us from running into applicants that would require us to get them one to work for us. (3 searches, twice finding out after offer issuance and acceptance...) Yeah, I'm still unclear what DevOps is....when I first heard of it, I had thought, haven't I already been one, or am I already one, or don't we already have them...but apparently the answer is none of the above. But, I heard they hope its easier to hire them....I had once heard that the title application system adminstrators was why they were having trouble filling vacancies, so they had tried to advertise their openings as "web systems engineers"....maybe when they try "DevOps" they'll get more applicants. They had one leave them to be a system administrator in our group, and another has left them to be a system administrator outside of central IT....plus they might have had one or two vacancies already. Right now they're waiting on us to build the systems and such so they can put DevOps into practice....and its the system administrator that had come from their group that is doing most of that work.... and another group has already decided they want a new system they've requested to be done that way...which we had told them was at least a couple months away still, which they seemed okay, except they keep asking every week when are then going to get it. Though maybe they don't fully understand what the DevOps process is going to give them. They need the system to be hardened for PCI-DSS (the initial work is for KVM, there's a VMware instance for PCI-DSS....etc.) but they recently asked if it would speed things up if we didn't have to figure out how to do system hardening and then automate it.... that they would do later....
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