I guess we could start by asking something like this: "What is a System Administrator not responsible for?" and working backwards.
On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. <[email protected]>wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Education, LOPSA keeps coming back to this as a root problem. We ask > ourselves what good is DevOps? We have no clue as a group, because there's > little group consensus on what DevOps means. Can I DevOps a bunch of > Windows 8 clients? Or is DevOps strictly related to build-and-release? Or > is it just a warm fuzzy cultural standard? Is it possible to even hire a > DevOps like I can a system administrator? Can I DevOps without specific > tools? > > Education is a tricky subject...because defining something rigid (along > the lines of what's required in other professions) would the exclude most > of the current population of system administrators. Which could result in > us gradually being put out of work (or suddenly.) > > Right now (at $work) Education is seen as something HR and AA keep > insisting we have on our postings, that we have argue to exempt it. Though > it does seem odd to not care about whether a candidate has any higher > education to work at a higher education institution. And, I've heard other > people indicate that a candidate that finished a degree is win over one > that didn't. Though I think Affirmative Action disallowed it. (though > there was a sysadmin that had started a computer science degree, but didn't > finish due to getting sent to the Gulf....and he was using the tuition > benefit to work on finishing the degree...though he left before finishing > for a better paying job, though after our last failed position search > [which used to be his position] failed due to salary...he offered to come > back for what had been our offer....) > > Though our not having a requirement for a degree makes it difficult for > our positions to be considered H1B eligible....which hasn't stopped us from > running into applicants that would require us to get them one to work for > us. (3 searches, twice finding out after offer issuance and acceptance...) > > Yeah, I'm still unclear what DevOps is....when I first heard of it, I had > thought, haven't I already been one, or am I already one, or don't we > already have them...but apparently the answer is none of the above. But, I > heard they hope its easier to hire them....I had once heard that the title > application system adminstrators was why they were having trouble filling > vacancies, so they had tried to advertise their openings as "web systems > engineers"....maybe when they try "DevOps" they'll get more applicants. > They had one leave them to be a system administrator in our group, and > another has left them to be a system administrator outside of central > IT....plus they might have had one or two vacancies already. > > Right now they're waiting on us to build the systems and such so they can > put DevOps into practice....and its the system administrator that had come > from their group that is doing most of that work.... and another group has > already decided they want a new system they've requested to be done that > way...which we had told them was at least a couple months away still, which > they seemed okay, except they keep asking every week when are then going to > get it. Though maybe they don't fully understand what the DevOps process > is going to give them. They need the system to be hardened for PCI-DSS > (the initial work is for KVM, there's a VMware instance for > PCI-DSS....etc.) but they recently asked if it would speed things up if we > didn't have to figure out how to do system hardening and then automate > it.... that they would do later.... > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss > This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators > http://lopsa.org/ > > -- Joseph A Kern [email protected]
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