On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Corey Quinn wrote:
Agreed-- but the counterpoint is that ops folks have to get better at
development than they currently are to continue to thrive in this kind
of environment.
As a former developer, I have this covered. I sometimes forget there are
a number of sysadmins who aren't so good at writing code.
Whether it's easier to train an ops person to be better at development,
or to instill an ops mentality in a developer, is left as an exercise
for the reader.
I wound up being a sysadmin because I was always the guy on the team
making sure all the little details were covered. I was the guy who made
sure ALL of the stanza in a Makefile worked correctly. I was the guy who
made sure the sandbox setups were completely correct, etc.
…but you can butter my biscuits and call me Sally if you think I'm about
to sit and quietly take criticism of LOPSA from the guy who brought us
the trainwreck that is CFengine (at least through version 2, haven't
looked into 3). The picture he paints of the uninvolved sysadmin who
forms the "Department of No" is *exactly* the kind of admins I've known
in my career who recommend CFengine for deployment.
The folks who "get it," the folks who are more disciplined in their
approach, who learned to adapt? They're all deploying
Chef/Puppet/Salt/Ansible and run screaming from CFengine. I'm not saying
it's a causal relationship, but the correlation is definitely there.
Most of the environments I've worked in have refused to even look at any
kind of configuration management systems, including CFengine. I've been
fighting for something in many of my previous jobs. Those are are where a
lot of sysadmins we need to convert are working. Ones who think "I've got
some Perl scripts. Why change?"
I'm most interested in Chef. Salt looks worth watching, but I wouldn't
deploy it in production yet. On the other hand, many of the developers I
know are going nuts over Salt since it's the new shiney...
-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts.
It's what I can remember in time to use.
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