On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Matt Lawrence <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Will Dennis wrote: > >> Should LOPSA "lead the march" to DevOps? If so, how? > > Yes. In my experience, developers are not well suited to doing Operations, *snip* > As sysadmins we need to be leading the effort to move to DevOps by > demonstrating the stability, security and productivity that Operation people > can bring to the effort. Agreed-- but the counterpoint is that ops folks have to get better at development than they currently are to continue to thrive in this kind of environment. Whether it's easier to train an ops person to be better at development, or to instill an ops mentality in a developer, is left as an exercise for the reader. …but you can butter my biscuits and call me Sally if you think I'm about to sit and quietly take criticism of LOPSA from the guy who brought us the trainwreck that is CFengine (at least through version 2, haven't looked into 3). The picture he paints of the uninvolved sysadmin who forms the "Department of No" is *exactly* the kind of admins I've known in my career who recommend CFengine for deployment. The folks who "get it," the folks who are more disciplined in their approach, who learned to adapt? They're all deploying Chef/Puppet/Salt/Ansible and run screaming from CFengine. I'm not saying it's a causal relationship, but the correlation is definitely there. -- Corey
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