MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> 1. audio only? niche. big mistake.
>
I think the audio market is big but you have to focus on it, something
that Logitech really hasn't done during the last years. I can mention a
lot of technical features added to the Squeezebox during the last years
but I have a hard time to finding a lot of features that greatly
improves the music discovery and listening experience.
Most (but maybe not all) stationary video products out there are
primarily focused on video and they are primarily focused on displaying
the the video on a TV. I believe there are a lot of people out there
that don't want their TV turned on just because they want to listen to
music.
However, I also believe there are a lot of people that would love
graphical visualizers and music videos to be displayed on the TV when
it's on, but the device has to work and it has to work really good also
with the TV off.
MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> 2. the only way logitech makes money is by selling players, players
> which cost too much compared to other products, and are too geeky and
> complex, and reliant on their customers to setup and maintain. it
> ain't TIVO.
>
Completely correct and from what I've seen of the Revue it
unfortunately seems to continue in the same geeky direction.
MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> 3. they also miss opportunities... i love my SBC, but who would pay
> for one when they can get ipeng? why didn't slim at least port SP to
> iOS? why cede that market to pippin or anyone else?
>
1. They don't make any money on the SP software, porting SP to iOS
would make people buy Apple hardware instead of Logitech hardware. The
main reasons they sell any SBC's at all is that some people hate Apple
and some people want the Duet and get the SBC in the package or need it
for initial setup.
2. SP ported to iOS by Logitech would suck if you compare it to iPeng.
I'm sorry to say this but I really believe currently Logitech doesn't
have the graphical/user interface designers to compete with iPeng, so I
think it's the right choice to not try at all. They should instead focus
on advertising the available third party solutions since they will also
make Logitech sell more hardware.
3. There is no way Logitech can compete with Apple hardware, the only
area they could compete in is price and SBC is currently more expensive
than a iPod Touch.
MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> 4. moreoever, a lot of their costs go into the backend, which they give
> away for free. that would be fine, except for this: why have they not
> marketed a server piece of hardware, or a combo server / player? and
> don't give me the touch... its a day late, feature short, buggy,
> underpowered, and a dollar too much.
>
A cheap combo server is doomed, this is what we got with the Touch. A
more expensive combo server would be better but it would also get more
expensive and due to this be out of range for the mass market.
A standalone server would make sense, could probably be made for $99
and maybe even less and still have the necessary power to run SBS with
decent performance. For example a repackaged Sheevaplug with
preinstalled SBS and a Logitech logo on the front.
To make cheap standalone combo devices that supports locally stored
music we need a modified architecture. Basically remove all advanced
features that is unique to the Squeezebox which requires a central
server and instead focus on simple browsing like other similar UPnP
players. It wouldn't surprise me if Logitech moved in this direction
even if I personally don't like it. I want something that improves the
music discovery/listening experience not a simple player that just lets
me play a song. If I wanted a simple player I can just put my iPod Touch
or iPhone in a docking station which gives me a simple (and also
portable) player. By the way, I'm sure a Revue will do great as a
simple player that just plays a song, it's just a bit expensive if you
don't need the TV part and it's not available in Europe.
MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> i would have been SHOCKED if any of this slim stuff had ANY connection
> to google TV, the revue, or anything else. logitech has very poor
> convergence between its own products beyond branding.
>
Agreed
MrSinatra;583977 Wrote:
>
> i don't see any vision at logitech long term, so i think all this stuff
> is doomed to die. that MIGHT change, and this stuff could be saved, but
> ONLY if the vision changes.
>
Agreed, the vision hasn't been there, at least not officially, since
Slim Devices became Logitech. I think it was there during the Slim
Devices era even though it wasn't always make available to the public
even back then.
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