first of all, there is no need for you to get nasty and personal in your comments. i have not done that to you. i have been using and fixing computers for 30 years for which i am certified and my brother in law, with whom i speak to frequently about such things IS an iphone app developer, and has worked for the DoD, Sun, and others.
i think you're wrong on some points, and i disagree. can't we do that civilly? pippin;584042 Wrote: > If I include my own time? Definitely! If I unclude it at the rate at > which I could have marketed that time as an iPhone developer? Much more > than what I quoted above. At market prices ($150/h) iPeng development so > far would have cost definitely >1 mil$. > > As opposed to you I _know_ what I'm talking about here, I'm in that > business and I've been in the hardware business for quite a while, > too. > > My price was for one app. The Logitech source code is worthless for > that environment, trust me, I've been trying to port SqueezePlay Audio > for long enough to know. > Add the same bill I mentioned above for any other platform you want to > support besides iPhone. > > For cheap, they could have something that sucks and hurts their HW > sales. You can't charge for updates on the App Store. i am not questioning your skills or your product. i have already said i think ipeng is great. but obviously you have not gotten $150/hr+expenses PAYBACK on your time. right? am i correct on that? has ipeng even come close to paying you what you would have charged logitech? when will it? logitech could have found someone to do the app from scratch and charge a more reasonable rate, and given a percentage on future commissions, or done some kind of negotiation. how many such apps are out there now for these devices? its not like you're alone, so its not as if the mountain was K2. let me tell you that over here anyway, the supply of developers exceeds the demand, at least at the $150/hr pricepoint. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Again, SP is worth nothing in this environment. Half of the code in > there has license restrictions they won't get around either and the > other half is LUA. OK, it's exaggerated on the license side but still > enough to make a complete re-write necessary. SP or from scratch... either way, whatever works. it just seems to me they'd at least have some kind of example code to go on. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Not if it sucks and hurts their HW sales. Read SB reviews. They are full > of "It's nice, but if you really want it usable you need 3rd party apps > like iPeng". If that read "It's nice but the App they are giving away > with it sucks" what do you think how much they would sell. who is saying they should develop one that sucks? did you hear me say that? this is a strawman, obviously i don't think they should make anything that sucks. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Cough, cough... Have you EVER worked for a big American company that > does manufacturing? I have and the main metric they work for is R/E > (revenue per engineering man year) And success in corporate > environments is not measured in dollars earned but in deliverables > delivered with your team, your budget and your headcount. This is what > determines your salary. And no, of course I don't say this is how it > _should_ be. But it is. Everywhere. so explain then the itunes/apple store? its small compared to HW right? thats what erland says. yet i'm sure they spend big bucks on it. gee, i wonder why? and anyway, i don't believe all busniesses look at it that way, although it seems logitech does, but as you say i am talking about what SHOULD be. (yes, i have worked for "big manufacturing," however i admit it wasn't high tech related products, but they had plenty of engineers so i understand the ratio you are talking about) pippin;584042 Wrote: > You are wrong again. > 1. Read the reviews I mentioned above. > 2. I know of a significant share of my customers who buy the Squeezebox > HW exactly because they look for something they can control well with > their iThingy. do they get ipeng BEFORE they get the hardware? who would do that? no one with a brain. my point is that logitech should be trying to leverage all the revenue potential out of their IP they can, and they did not do that here. they ceded the market to you. and yes, some people do get the hardware knowing "there's an app for that." but thats my point! of course thats true, AND logitech should have been the one providing the app! pippin;584042 Wrote: > Well, as I said, let's revisit this in 15 years. I believe the problem > is the distance you have to the TC screen which makes reading too hard > (wrong eye focus) which in turn means you can only use big, iconized > UIs. You can not touch it so you are lacking the immediate feedback > you've got on an iPad. > And no, making it bigger doesn't help with any of that. Not at all. it depends on the usage case... this stuff is in its infancy. if they can make email, facebook, utube, and some basic web browsing decent in a couple of years, as i believe they can and will, it'll be a success for the vast majority of "regular folks" out there who want some net ability on the TV. pippin;584042 Wrote: > That's what I said. How much would you pay for that? as i said above, i think a displayless combo player/server box with AV capability and full SBS could be done for $199, maybe $250. i would pay that, and i know a lot of other people who would too. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Yep. And that idea is wrong. You are sitting in front of your computer > when you use it and you've got a keyboard. Just try to use a computer > with a _huge_ screen 5 meters away. Headache after half an hour, I > promise you! again, it depends! a lot of what you do, esp with music, is point and click, not keyboard. TIVO btw now has a full keyboard embedded in their remote. i agree, its not a total replacement, you're right on about that... but it has a place, just like a wifi ipad or ipod does. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Do you have figures for that? I doubt it. You have to count iPods etc. > in on the audio side. no you don't. slim stuff is not, and never will be, competition for ipods. i am talking about the market slim stuff competes in, and that isn't portables. pippin;584045 Wrote: > Well, actually there is a LOT of that kind of thinking in big > corporations. I bet exxon does evaluate exactly that question for each > new station they take under contract (they don't open them themselves > in the US, too, don't they?). BTW, just as an excerpt, exxon stations > don't sell exxon gas, actually all stations sell the same gas. > Seriously, they may add some "additives" at the station itself or the > trailer but the gas comes from the same refineries for all of them. Get > some knowledge about how business works before making bold statements. the point was about competition, don't get lost in the weeds. it wasn't meant to be a perfect analogy, most stations are franchises too (not all) if you want to poke holes in it. you could use the microsoft analogy instead, thats why i tried to make several. also, while the soure for the gas is mostly the same, EACH STATE has its own regulations, so actually each stat gets "different" gas based on its own laws. get some knowledge why don't ya? and stuff your unnecessary personal comments. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
