MrSinatra;584143 Wrote: > first of all, there is no need for you to get nasty and personal in your > comments. > Sorry for that. > > with whom i speak to frequently about such things IS an iphone app > developer, and has worked for the DoD, Sun, and others. > Please ask him about going rates for iPhone programmers these days. > > i am not questioning your skills or your product. i have already said > i think ipeng is great. but obviously you have not gotten > $150/hr+expenses PAYBACK on your time. right? am i correct on that? > Yep. That was my point, wasn't it. I said it would cost like 250-500k to develop a simple iPhone remote if you were Logitech and I said if I calculate what my work would have cost at market prices (you asked) it would have been >$1mil. I would not have done it for that money. You need passion to deliver, money can't buy you passion. > > has ipeng even come close to paying you what you would have charged > logitech? when will it? > Never. > > logitech could have found someone to do the app from scratch and charge > a more reasonable rate > You don't get the point. That _IS_ a totally reasonable and common rate. I know a lot of iPhone programmers around the world, I'm hiring iPhone programmers these days and my experience is: You get newbies for $50-60 an hour. You get experienced programmers for $100-200 an hour. And if your project is boring you get no iPhone programmers at all. For no money in the world. That's the market today. > > let me tell you that over here anyway, the supply of developers exceeds > the demand, at least at the $150/hr pricepoint. > Seriously? Can you get me some e-mail addresses? > > SP or from scratch... either way, whatever works. it just seems to me > they'd at least have some kind of example code to go on. > I had the same. SP is now open source. Doesn't help. Just detracts you. > > who is saying they should develop one that sucks? did you hear me say > that? this is a strawman, obviously i don't think they should make > anything that sucks. > Read my point. My point was: For the kind of money they can afford to pay on this if they want to make money out of it they will only get one that sucks. > > so explain then the itunes/apple store? its small compared to HW > right? thats what erland says. yet i'm sure they spend big bucks on > it. gee, i wonder why? > Because it makes them sell iPhones as big bucks. It's called "focus". Apple is a world champion in focusing. THAT'S why they make all that money. I'm absolutely 100% sure Apple's main metric is R/E because good engineers are what's at short supply. You can get all cheap manufacturing you want (Apple manufactures NOTHING themselves) but you can't grow your engineering force as much as you want. Even if you could get enough good engineers, overhead grows exponentially with organization size. > > do they get ipeng BEFORE they get the hardware? who would do that? no > one with a brain. my point is that logitech should be trying to > leverage all the revenue potential out of their IP they can, and they > did not do that here. they ceded the market to you. > that point is moot. They buy it because they know there's a good app for it and they would not buy it without that. Plenty of users who just buy a Receiver, they actually can't use the device without the App as well as the other way around.
You can argue until the cows come home about whether Logitech _should_ have done an App like that, they didn't, what'S the point in arguing about it? Ma only point is: there is no SW money in it for them -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
