Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > >i'm sorry, but you'll have to bear with me... please define > >contributors. TPE2 only? or what? do user defined tags get to be > >contributors too? > > > I am trying to stay format agnostic, and also not mention how I want > things to work. I was just stating the facts. > > Contributors are any type of artist role associated with a song. A > lead performer, band, composer, conductor, etc. > As far as I can recall, SqueezeCenter scanner only understands one > user-defined TXXX tag - ALBUMARTIST.
understood, (thx). and that means SC7 has no reasonable method to sort all albums for users who do not have user defined tags in their files. Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > >here is where you really start to confuse me. can you please use > >snarlys convention of writing BAND or ALBUMARTIST in caps and without > >the space when you mean SC7 internal tags? (not saying you didn't, > >just making sure) > > > No. interesting. Snarly seemed quite certain his convention was universal in the forums here. maybe you guys should duke it out. ;) please understand tho, that it seems to me in these recent posts, you are the only one not using Snarly's convention, so it will be confusing understanding your posts. i will continue to use it. Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > BAND, etc, look like ID3 frame names, like TPE2. It's less confusing to > use lower case to represent how SqueezeCenter stores information in its > internal database. > >now, above, when you say album artist tag in the songs, i'm sure you > >realize id3 has no standard for that. > >so you are talking about when someone with mp3s has used a workaround > to put such tags in there, > >yes? > > > Yes - Txxx ALBUMARTIST is a user-defined tag, because there isn't a > defined standard. However, it is an adopted format that several apps > follow. I believe FooBar understands it, and a few other apps. > > In the same sense, the BAND tag is NOT supposed to be used as album > artist. According to the standard it is meant to represent the band > that plays on a song, i.e. a contributor; a type of performer that > makes up the set of people/names that perform the song. Eg. > ARTIST=Buddy Holly, BAND=The Crickets. The fact that there is no > standard support for album artist meant that some apps miss-use BAND > for storing album artist. That is fact. > > Other formats do apparently define a proper album artist tag as part of > their standard. agreed on all fronts. but it should not be forgotten that a mp3 user defined Txxx field is ALSO NOT by a standard, and is a lot less common. (at best, all you can say is that those programs, like FooBar, have a "defacto" standard) Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > > >that means anyone not using a workaround is screwed right off the > bat. > > > Not sure what you mean by screwed. If you don't set album artist, you > get some albums appearing as compilations, because of a guest > performance on one track. Most people probably don't bother setting a > list of several artists on a song (not sure if that's standard anyway), > and won't be affected. eg. SqueezeCenter allows a separator for > defining multiple track artists (eg. ";"). what i mean is this: if someone has mp3s and does not have user defined tags, they are screwed right off the bat, b/c they have no way to get SC7 to work right. this is inspite of the reasonable expectation they would have b/c programs like WMP, winamp, and itunes use TPE2 in that way. and i would argue that todays programs, like EAC (and the ones i mentioned above) do by default in fact put several artists on one track, (its automated). the problem then comes in when SC7 campares tracks of the same album and finds those differences. Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > >right, and this happens in spite of the fact that many mp3 users have > >set TPE2 to avoid this very issue. > > > Thus not following the standard. right, and Txxx is not "standard" either. the point isn't some esoteric religious type either/or mac/windows argument; the point is this is the REALITY of many users setups, and i would argue the majority of mp3 users (not on the forums, but in the marketplace), have things this way, b/c most people by marketshare use the programs i mentioned, and nothing else. does SC7 not want to accommodate such users? leave them hanging? why? why can't an option be employed? Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > > >but SC7 doesn't give an option to employ TPE2 the way most apps use > it. > > > I think there is an intention to allow SC to not follow the standard > like other apps that abuse the tag, but it appears to be broken. where do you see such an intention? what specifically are you saying is broken? meaning, what makes you say that? Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > > >ok... but if an album has already been tagged VA when it isn't, this > >doesn't matter. > > > Don't know what you mean. If it has been tagged as VA then it is VA. > If it is tagged VA and it isn't then the tag is wrong??? let me restate that, i wrote that poorly: 'if SC7 has already decided that an album is VA when in reality it isn't, this doesn't matter.' sorry for the confusion. Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > > >i don't have these user defined tags like artistsort or albumartist > in > >my MP3s, so as far as i know, those same named SC7 internal tags are > >empty. > > > No. If you don't have any ARTISTSORT tags, all artists will have their > internal artist sort set the same as the artist name (except leading > articles are removed). "Paul Simon" would be sorted as "Paul Simon", > and "The Beatles" will be sorted as "Beatles". If ARTIST="Paul Simon" > and ARTISTSORT="Simon, Paul", it would be sorted under S. ok... i understand ARTISTSORT will use my TPE1 tags as is. but SC7 ALBUMARTIST will be empty, yes? and if it were not empty, and if it used TPE2 data, then SC7 would have TPE2 data to use for ARTISTSORT, (b/c it uses ALBUMARTIST data for that). Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > > >just to be clear, i have all those unchecked BUT when i did check > >"Band/Orchestra" it made no difference, it only slowed down my scan. > > > So you want BAND to be ALBUMARTIST but you normally don't even bother > to have BAND ticked in the settings? right, why should i? the scanner still scans TPE2 regardless. it still makes it BAND internally, (but not ALBUMARTIST internally). Philip Meyer;290077 Wrote: > If you have used BAND, you would then see the Band listed as a > contributor on a song if you navigate down to song information. > The contributor in BAND would be searchable. ok, but none of that helps my sorting issue. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
