Harry G;323613 Wrote: > If, without full analysis, it mixes just from tags, how does this differ > from simply generating a random mix of a genre? > > BTW: Because of its slowness, I'm suspicious about how the analysis is > actually done. I have a feeling there's this big locked room in India > with a T1 line, rows and rows of desks, and..... > <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Monkey-typing.jpg> > All of the workers gravely listening to each of our tunes on headphones > before making their artistic decisions. > > Seriously, this is such a powerful tool that its really a shame that > the setup is a barrier to the non-technical. I'm now comfortable using > MIP. However, of the eight friends I've gotten into Squeezeboxen, all > bright people, the only ones I will introduce MusicIP to are a computer > store owner and a digital engineer. For the others, the setup and > ongoing maintenance, when they stumble, would become my job:-( > > I am hoping that Logitech will license MIP as other companies have and > properly integrate it into their product. The old Slim Devices got so > much work for free from their enthusiastic user base that it gave > management an odd, jealous attitude about outsiders making money from > their product. > > Logitech is a real company with a history of paying real money for what > they need. I'm hoping one of the company's "Suits" will read the > feedback on this plugin and see the logic in properly embracing this > process.
It's a lot different than just a random mix. When you do the full anslysis, it looks to see if there is a fingerprint for the track in the MIP database (accessed over the internet). If there is, it applies it to the track. If not, it generates one. That's what takes time - to generate the fingerprint, it analyzes the audio data. If you don't do the full analysis, you still get valid mixes that work quite well. These mixes are still based on the algorithms used in MIP. You just *may* not have the best mix possible. For instance, a live version of a song might be handled differently than a studio version if a full analysis has been done. I suggest you read back in this thread. You will see that just "adding the tracks" creates mixable tracks from even the most obscure artists and albums. I have a lot of indie imported electronic music that is listed as mixable without doing any analysis. I was very impressed. I do agree that better integration would be nice. However, many of the issues lie on the MIP side. I run my MIP server headless on a Linux server and find that I have to restart it at least once a week. This, plus the lack of understanding on how to add tracks efficiently, what the advantage is of doing full analysis on tracks, what MIP is actually doing, and so on, are not issues with Logitech, but with *MIP*. Getting it going can certainly be a frustrating experience. I was lucky and found some good info on the 'net that helped and I was up and running with something in a short amount of time. But it took me time to figure out how to hack my init script to start MIP automatically when SC is started. I agree that there is room for improvement, but, IMHO, many of the issues lie at MIP's doorstep, not Logitech's. The community has done a great job of providing info (much of it developed in this thread), but it can only go so far with the current implementation. -- maggior ------------------------------------------------------------------------ maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48270 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
