Excerpts from Davide Del Vento's message of 2016-02-28 20:45:09 +0100:
> For the rest, I agree with the whole group that Martin Bahr's views
> are pretty chauvinist and out of date.
i asked davide about this and we realized that my quote of uncle bob was
misunderstood.
first of all, what davide meant to say was:
"whoever expects somebody to normally work 60 hours per week is crazy,
chauvinist and out of date."
that, i agree with. fortunately for me, i don't expect that either.
and neither does uncle bob. what he means to say is that your career is your
own responsibility, not that of your employers, and you owe it to your self to
spend some of your time to learn things that go beyond the needs of your job,
and will help you in your career. you should learn things you enjoy.
"those 20 hours should be fun!"
i was quoting him as one prominent view in the context of preparing to change
your career.
i simply meant to express: if you want to change your career, you need to
invest your time. here is uncle bobs view in how much time you should spend
working on your career, and from that it follows that in order to change your
career you'll have to invest at least as much (if not more)
that said, uncle bobs views are a bit extreme even to me.
if you read what he wrote you'll find that he disclaims any responsibility of
the employer to train employees. that's going to far even for me. when i quoted
him first, i had forgotten that he wrote that too. so certainly i didn't mean
that. in fact, where i come from, that attitude is even against the law. as
employees have a right to get paid time off for training.
to summarize:
as an employer i support my employees to learn new stuff that we can use in our
work.
i do not support you learning stuff the we have absolutely no use for. we use
Free Software, and if you want to learn MS MFC then go ahead and use your own
time for that.
translated to the original question that means: if you don't need programming
in your current PhD work, then do not expect to be able to learn programming
during work time.
when i hire a programmer, then i expect them to be able to program. i don't
even expect them to know the programming languages that we use. as long as you
know any programming language (or two preferably) then you qualify. everything
else you can learn on the job.
i apologize for the disruption and i thank you for your time.
if you want me to clarify any other points that i made, feel free to ask.
greetings, martin.
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