On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Martin Bähr < [email protected]> wrote:
> Excerpts from Timothée Poisot's message of 2016-02-28 18:42:33 +0100: > > I agree with Greg wholeheartedly. Communicating the idea that 60hrs week > is not > > only normal, but expected and a requirement for success, to PhD > candidates, is a > > step in the wrong direction. > > i am sorry, but if you want to work as a programmer, you have to learn > programming some time. if you can do it at your current work, then good for > you, but if you can't, how do you expect to pick up the skills i need from > you? > I find it tremendously sad that the idea of providing training for entry level employees is so unthinkable to you. Obviously no one is suggesting you hire senior programmers or development leads without a portfolio, but for some positions aptitude and personality can more than make up for a lack of experience. I graduated college into the 2008 recession, so I can't say that I've seen many employers willing to invest in entry level employees, but I'm given to understand that it does still happen and that it's not a completely laughable strategy for an organization. > the point here is, that Free Software contributions are not a requirement > to > every job, but they are a tool to get your foot into the door to start > your new > career as a software developer. specifically for students, and those who > change > their careers and have nothing else to show for themselves yet. > I don't think anyone's arguing that FOSS contributions aren't a way to get your foot in the door. They are. What I'm arguing is that they shouldn't be. Like many things in this frustrating, complicated world, it's a phenomenon that has benefits and drawbacks, and the drawbacks include systematically excluding already marginalized groups. To me, that makes it not worth the benefits, but for you that might not be the case. I've never hired for a software company before, so I'll admit I may not fully appreciate the benefits. > > greetings, martin. > > -- > eKita - the online platform for your entire academic > life > -- > chief engineer > eKita.co > pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net > societyserver.org > secretary > beijinglug.org > mentor > fossasia.org > foresight developer foresightlinux.org > realss.com > unix sysadmin > Martin Bähr working in china > http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/ > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.software-carpentry.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_lists.software-carpentry.org >
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