That's actually really useful Titus - thanks a lot for sharing this!

Last time I had the process with AWS done was last May, so that's why I had
the wrong impression. This also means that we probably need to find a
working solution for preparing participants for the DC genomics lesson.

Regards,

Fotis

-----Original Message-----
From: C. Titus Brown [mailto:ctbr...@ucdavis.edu] 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 10:11 PM
To: Jaime Ashander <ashan...@ucla.edu>
Cc: Fotis E. Psomopoulos <fp...@issel.ee.auth.gr>; Software Carpentry
Discussion <discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org>
Subject: Re: [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson

Apologies if this is a bit off-topic, but:

Note that in recent months (at least the last 4 months or so) you will be
blocked from starting up a new AWS instance for at least the first few hours
after you first try, until they verify your account.  Presumably this is to
stop people from creating fake accounts and running up compute before being
caught.

This puts a serious monkey wrench in any workshop that doesn't have people
sign up *and try to start a new instance at least the night before the
workshop*.

(This change in AWS practice happened sometime around our workshop at
Scripps Institute of Oceanograph,
https://2016-metagenomics-sio.readthedocs.io/en/latest/, so before October
12, 2016.  We had 17 people unable to start their instances.  Fun fun fun!)

I've talked to some AWS folk about it and so far there has been nothing they
could do other than take a list of accounts to prevalidate (which didn't
work the one time we tried to do it).

Largely for this reason, I'm going to seriously try out JetStream as an
alternative to AWS in the next few months.

best,
--titus

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:00:23PM -0800, Jaime Ashander wrote:
> For the recommended instance type, t2.medium, (per 
> http://www.datacarpentry.org/genomics-workshop/ ) the current costs in 
> N VA (per https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ ):
> 
> t2.medium 2 Variable 4 EBS Only $0.047 per Hour
> - Jaime
> 
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Fotis E. Psomopoulos < 
> fp...@issel.ee.auth.gr> wrote:
> 
> > If none (or at least the majority) of the participants have a 
> > previous AWS account, they will be eligible for the free tier ??? 
> > essentially they will have to create an amazon account (and probably 
> > give their credit card
> > details) but there will be no cost for using the cloud resources.
> >
> >
> >
> > That was the case on both times I participated to the DC genomics 
> > lesson, so it might as well be true in other instances as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just my two cents???
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Fotis
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Discuss 
> > [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org] *On Behalf Of 
> > *Strong, Dena L
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2017 9:12 PM
> > *To:* Christopher Hamm <topher.h...@gmail.com>; 
> > discuss@lists.software- carpentry.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson
> >
> >
> >
> > I can???t speak specifically to the Data Carpentry experience, but 
> > when we???ve done full day AWS training for groups of 20-30 IT Pros 
> > at our university, the whole cost for everyone for the day was 
> > approximately $3. A few cents per person per hour, because nothing 
> > external was driving much traffic to the test sites.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org
> > <discuss-boun...@lists.software-carpentry.org>] *On Behalf Of 
> > *Christopher Hamm
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:50 PM
> > *To:* discuss@lists.software-carpentry.org
> > *Subject:* [Discuss] AWS cost for genomics lesson
> >
> >
> >
> > Do we know what the approximate cost of using AWS is per student for 
> > the Data Carpentry genomics lessons?
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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> >
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> >
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